Gransnet forums

News & politics

Aimed at the Wrong People?

(365 Posts)
Jalima1108 Mon 26-Jun-17 16:27:31

Was Jeremy Corbyn's speech at Glastonbury aimed at the wrong people?

The well-heeled and privileged people who paid £238 each for their tickets, teepees or glamping extra, running into the thousands of £, cheering him on and lauding him are not the disaffected living in poverty whom he champions. Do they not see the irony in this as they go back to their middle-class comfortable lives, recycling their rubbish and urging us to 'look after the planet'.

This is from last year but I am sure it is just the same this year. Brand-new tents left behind, mounds of rubbish to be cleared up by others - who cares who clears it as long as they don't have to soil their own hands. Someone will do it - probably on a wage less than a quarter of what most of them will earn.

'Takers of the system' as the commentary says:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y70LCoK-XMA

And the fence - the fence!! Perhaps Donald Trump could take a lesson on how to build a huge fence to keep out the hoi-polloi, the less than desirable who cannot afford a ticket.

Who said that Glastonbury is 'The Most Bourgeois Festival on the Planet'? Was it someone from Iron Maiden? Can't remember now but I do remember someone mentioning it.

Oh, the irony.
Obviously Jeremy Corbyn didn't understand that, nor did the crowds he was addressing.

LumpySpacedPrincess Tue 27-Jun-17 20:33:25

He was invited so he showed up, made an excellent speech and served a few beers, nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

they probably would have invited May but thought wouldn't turn up.

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Jun-17 20:21:58

I was linking to statistics provided by someone from Bristol University.
Polls are polls and not often accurate.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 20:18:55

All the evidence suggests that Corbyn appealed to many disaffected voters, who hadn't voted before or hadn't voted for many years, because they didn't see any difference between the major parties.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 20:16:48

By the way, I live in an ethnically homogenous area (most of us are White British), but the area most emphatically didn't vote for Corbyn.

Smileless2012 Tue 27-Jun-17 20:16:34

Going by your last post Jalima I'd say yes, preaching to the revelers at Glastonbury was preaching to the converted. After all isn't that why he went there? To be assured of a rapturous welcome.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 20:12:21

Not true, Jalima. The latest polls are showing that the majority of C2DE voters (especially in the youngest age groups) voted for Labour. Although the overall percentage of them who actually vote is still low, there was a significant increase in the last election.

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Jun-17 19:55:18

Perhaps this link will try to explain part of the point I was making:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/does-working-class-need-ask-its-labour-party-back

The analysis points to:
In other words, working class voters, voters not educated to college level, and voters in ethnically homogeneous areas love Corbyn’s Labour Party even less than they loved Miliband’s. Meanwhile middle class voters, those educated to college level or higher, and voters in ethnically diverse areas love it even more.

So - is he aiming at the wrong people?
Preaching to the converted?

rosesarered Tue 27-Jun-17 18:52:38

JaneD3..... I didn't like to point it out to you ( wrong thread) grin most of us have done it.

rosesarered Tue 27-Jun-17 18:51:11

Yes Birene they are ultra Socialists at the very least , if there is such a thing, definitely wolves in sheeps clothing.

W11girl Tue 27-Jun-17 18:49:46

Just middle class teenagers filling the pockets of former tree hugging hippies..who amazingly have become succesSful wealthy capitalists off the back of them...not Jeremy Corbyn's thing I would have thought....Double standards springs to mind!

JaneD3 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:46:45

Oops wrong thread!

JaneD3 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:46:06

As a recently retired SENCo, this is something I have seen. In some kinds of schools ( yes, I am from the independent sector!) we find that some children never have 'down time' to just be children and learn how to amuse themselves. They have all the toys but no time to just chill out and play with them themselves.
They are children not mini adults!

Birene Tue 27-Jun-17 18:44:31

I feel that the adoration by the young at Glastonbury for Corbyn is indicative of our youths appalling lack of a political education.
Please stop calling Corbyn and McDonnell( especially) 'socialists'. They are Communists plain and simple. McDonnell has advocated violence as a means to their political ends via his love for Stalin & Trotsky , both guilty of murdering thousands. I was in Berlin when the wall came down and will never forget the tears of relief I witnessed from East Germans. People were hugging each other and sobbing in the streets.
I do not want Communists in Downing Street and giving the exposure to Corbyn at a music festival predominantly attended by the young was a cynical, opportunist political act. Since the BBC takes my licence fee each month I don't expect it to be used to show party political broadcasts when I want to watch some bands. Shameful. What next? McDonnell walking on to speak in a theatre interval?
I feel frightened for our youth because they are being hoodwinked by a couple of Pied Pipers and all their youthful enthusiasm and potential entrepreneurial skills are being 'radicalised'.
There must be balance. I wonder how much our youth have been taught about the architects of Communism- Stalin, Trotsky, Marx, Engels, Gramschi, Mao etc etc and the havoc and misery they have caused
in various parts of the world? Very little I feel. Our schools and university tutors paint a very rosy picture .It is distorted and dangerous for our democracy.
"Hey teacher! Leave them kids alone!"

Teddy123 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:16:20

mcem do you have anger issues ....... Enjoy your evening ......

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:10:20

[sigh]

whitewave Tue 27-Jun-17 18:09:01

jalima are you say he doesn't champion the poor?

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:07:35

Not everyone recycles and takes their litter home with them or disposes of it responsibly though, Baggs.

If they did the countryside would not be in such a mess. Perhaps many people just expect the low-paid to trail in their wake picking up their discarded filth.
As so many on here seem quite angry at my OP I wonder if they are amongst them.
Don't forget - 'these people' get paid for doing it. I just thought that they are the ones that Jeremy Corbyn should be championing.

Ana Tue 27-Jun-17 17:57:52

So?

Hm999 Tue 27-Jun-17 17:56:42

League season tickets are between £200 and about £1200 depending on which league and popularity. And yes, you have to save uo for them. Some clubs have instalment plans. And Earlybirds at a cheaper rate like festivals

Baggs Tue 27-Jun-17 17:53:53

I'm referring to leaving trash in one's wake.

Baggs Tue 27-Jun-17 17:52:54

Despicable behaviour, don't you think, maiz? I know you like that word ?

Hm999 Tue 27-Jun-17 17:52:33

'A group of us are thinking about going to a festival ... Do you want join us?' has been heard in our house directed at student children. I've never paid for my kids' tickets, they saved. Glastonbury is not a lot more expensive than other 3 day festivals. It is greener though (compost loos not chemical ones etc). The high expense of clear up is because the recyclable stuff is given to homeless etc.
Tickets just see one headline act would be nearly £100. So 3 nights' headline acts would be £300.

MaizieD Tue 27-Jun-17 17:52:21

Oh, apologies. Posting on the wrong thread. I thought roses was pursuing another grievance.

WRT to Sheilasue my biscuit stands

rosesarered Tue 27-Jun-17 17:52:05

A lot of you seem to be swearing today!
Why should it be a typo.....am guessing Sheilasue knows if she is a Labour supporter or not.

Baggs Tue 27-Jun-17 17:51:25

Hear, hear again, jal! The Glastonbury average age-group have grown up with plenty of education about pollution and waste by humans and yet....