Aimed at the Wrong People?

Exactly, Maizie, that's how I say it.

I think that was how they pronounced it in "Thirty Something"

EEEthan

Ethan? 'th' as in 'think.

I have to say I've always thought Eloethan was meant to represent 'Ello, Ethan'

How do you pronounce the name Ethan?

And is the 'th' pronounced as in 'the' or as in 'thing'?

We have to know...

Three.

In my head, I always pronounce it with four syllables. It doesn't sound right otherwise. I do hope I am right.

What I want to know is is Eloethan pronounced as threee syllables, 'El' oe' 'than' or four ,El' 'o' 'e' 'than'?

I'm a bit bemused at the way this discussion is going. To me the salient factor is 'were the EU workers hired on the basis of previous years' amounts of rubbish left, the amount of time needed to clear it and the number of people needed to clear it or were they indeed recruited under false pretences, as the story seems to be implying?

It would seem extraordinarily callous to promise two weeks work, let people pay their air fares and plan on the strength of what they expected to earn, and then turn them off after a couple of days and disclaim all responsibility for them.

But this is just one news story; are there any other versions of the same story doing the rounds. would be interesting to see if it were presented differently by other sources.

All this pearl clutching over the amount of rubbish 'privileged' people leave behind after Glastonbury seems a bit irrelevant to me.

And I don't approve at all of the growing widespread use of zero hours contracts.

I bet it's the first misreading mistake you've corrected, though, Ana.

It's not exactly a spelling mistake, is it? More of a mis-reading mistake. You're not the only one, you'll be glad to know, Rigby.

Ooohhhh don't let ab see you correcting spelling mistakes.

It's not Eleo it's Eloe! hmmf

As ever Eleo you say it all.

So true eloethan

False umbrage!!

How ridiculous.

On the one hand, there are complaints that virtually all the people attending Glastonbury are "privileged". (It is hardly in the same league as people who pay large amounts of money for a couple of hours at a concert (Barbra Streisand - tickets £100-£450+, Glyndebourne (£120-£230), etc, etc.

Then there is the complaint that people leave a lot of mess, which it turns out they didn't, so now there is a complaint that most of the people employed to clean up the mess (presumably through an agency) were not required. That is the reality of zero hours contracts and, as trisher said, in the past when people have complained about this, they have been told that it is perfectly reasonable business practice and that a lot of people like the flexibility of zero hours contracts (which many don't).

I don't recall anyone complaining about Glastonbury in past years but it seems that just because Corbyn spoke there this year, it is now essential that some people voice whatever contrived outage they can muster in order to discredit the festival and the people who attend it.

Wiki seems to think most contracts are for volunteers
With the exception of technical and security staff, the festival is mainly run by volunteers. Some 2000 stewards are organised by the aid charity Oxfam. In return for their work at the festival Oxfam receive a donation, which in 2005 was £200,000.[131] Medical facilities are provided by Festival Medical Services who have done so since 1979. The bars are organised by the Workers Beer Company, sponsored by Carlsberg (previously Budweiser), who recruit teams of volunteer staff from small charities and campaign groups. In return for their help, typically around 18 hours over the festival, volunteers are paid in free entry, transport and food, while their charities receive the wages the volunteers earn over the event.

Catering, and some retail services, are provided by various small companies, typically mobile catering vans, with over 400 food stalls on site in 2010.[130] The camping retail chain Millets, and independent shops, set up makeshift outlets at the festival. Additionally charities and organisations run promotional or educational stalls, such as the Hare Krishna tent which provide free vegetarian food. Network Recycling manage refuse on the site, and in 2004 recycled 300 tonnes and composted 110 tonnes of waste from the site.[132]

Unfortunately Network recycling was dissolved in 2013- so it isn't them!

Anyone know who the contract came from? It doesn't say in the article.

you cant blame the organisers for using the system
Spoken by a true socialist, well done

I wonder if the people posting about how awful this is will also protest about the single mother who pays for childcare, pays her fare to work and then is sent home early because she is on a zero hours contract and there aren't enough customers that day. It is exactly the same situation and it is zero hours contracts that are the cause. You can't blame the organisers for using the system.

The response would have been just the same.

It's a shame that you cannot see that the problem is zero hours contracts.

jalima
I'm sure both of us see the dilemma that durhamjen is in: the underdog was going to be employed by a labour supporting organisation.
If the organisation had been supporting the Tories I'm sure the response would have been far more scathing.

BUT THEY WERE GIVEN ZERO HOURS CONTRACTS.

It seems perverse, to me, to accept zero hours contracts, then complain when they are carried through with.

I got that from your link, by the way, the zero hours contracts, as well as the quote about the good weather.

The problem is zero hours contracts being allowed, not that they were kept to.
Why would Corbyn address those coming in to clean up? He did not employ them. He wants to get rid of zero hours contracts, like I do.

Yes, I agree that they should not have been sent away without a meal when they were expecting one. However, that is not the main problem.
It's zero hours contracts per se, as far as I can see.

Correction: SOME of the people clearing up may be volunteers doing it in exchange for a ticket.

Others are coming to work and to be paid.

If you can't see how ridiculous your post is, then you are missing entirely the point of all this.

Irony - yes!!

Yes, people leave behind their disgusting mess for others to clear up. The people who can afford to go to Glastonbury. Never mind that a few have their tickets bought for them - that's a red herring because they obviously have relatives who can afford the price of a ticket.
Never mind that it is good value and you can see lots of bands.

Some people could never afford to go - ever.

The people clearing up may be volunteers doing it in exchange for a ticket (presumably that is at less than the minimum wage in normal years)
People have travelled in good faith from other countries because they were told there was work for at least two weeks - there isn't so much work this year so they are sent on their way without the goodwill of a meal or transport to the nearest town.

You claim to champion the under-privileged in society as does Jeremy Corbyn. He addressed the crowds who were, in the main, fairly privileged. He did not address the workers coming on zero hours contracts to find there was no work to be sent away hungry and in despair.

Did you look at my link?!

Now do you see what I mean?
You mention irony.
That is irony.