What should be done about Public Sector pay?

I think there had been some discussion in the past about all tax returns being published as they are elsewhere. I really do not believe that, until we see figures like those of these salaries, we really comprehend just what 'the top 10%' or 'the top 1%' actually means in what they take out of the general pot. They do say fresh air is the best disinfectant.

That, and a true 'living wage' (as Norah mentioned) would start to help.

Someone told me yesterday that there is currently a move to recruit teachers from abroad to cover shortage subjects, things like languages, physics and maths. Will this also be a way of keeping wages down?

www.livingwage.org.uk/what-is-the-living-wage

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/suspicion-falls-on-tories-as-stats-confirm-crime-increase-coincided-with-record-police-cuts/

Statistics out today to show that the government should pay more than 1% to police, etc.
And should have more police.
How many more were promised in the election?
Have we been told when we are going to get them?

Well, I think the answer to the op is everyone should earn a livable wage. Raised wages seem in order.

and the exaggerations made. I did actually wonder. I know the only time I get close to swearing or unreasonably short with people is if I am in pain - it was just a thought.

Gaslighting - I had to look it up

the things you learn on GN

GG Gaslighting me won't work. I have a gas mask.

Oh I am tempted..... but I won't.

Oh dear, you have got a problem with Primrose, haven't you GGMk2? I wonder why...

Are you in great pain Primrose? You seem to go off on tangents - well we can all do that - but I see you have found another poster to attack today. I have a feeling we should probably all be feeling very sorry for you and whatever personal problems you are wrestling with.

I'd like to add that, in addition to working only limited hours before having pensions cut, there are other restrictions in Scotland but don't know about UK or academies which are a law into themselves.
It no longer matters how far up the payscale a teacher had worked before retirement as all supply teachers are paid at entry-level rate.
I think you'd find that many teachers go back to help out when a school is struggling and not just for monetary gain.
Basic rate less full taxation - not a way to make a fortune! And a school could have a highly skilled and experienced teacher at a bargain price.

On reflection, I think you're right gillybob

I'll just play the game in my head

Well it might start out that way Primrose

Yes!

I think it might be a fun thread.

That must have been GN, Trump wouldn't have bothered with "It's not independent evidence"

I was thinking along the lines of

Sorry, but that's just wrong. It's not independent evidence.

Was that a Trump tweet or posted on GN?

Well let me think.... Primrose scratching head.

How Trump compares with Gransnet:

Trump probably has a kind side. Most Gransnetters are kind.
Trump loves his family. Enough said.
I think he can be quite charismatic. What can I say?
He apparently likes pussies, lots of Gransnetters have cats don't they?
Trump can be a bit of a bully if someone dares to disagree with him though, can't he?

Still thinking....

I think Primrose meant that durhamjen could have been embarrassed gillybob - although I doubt that very much!

I was thinking of starting a thread "Trump or Gransnet?"

A tweet or a post? Sometimes, it's hard to differentiate between them.

Actually just reading back my previous posts I had already mentioned that the prom almost wasn't going to happen before someone jumped in. see below.

Apologies for another jumble but now dashing to take DGD to her end of primary school prom. Almost wasn't going to happen so much excitement

Strangely Primrose65 I don't feel in the slightest bit embarrassed for myself. Thank you for your post though.

I seem to have been labouring under a massive misapprehension for many years.
I always thought that teachers did extra curricular hours on a voluntary basis because they were paid an enhanced rate for their normal teaching hours (whatever they may be)
I'm sure gillybob has more than a passing understanding as to 'where you are coming from', it's not as if any teacher giving up two hours for whatever reason is expected to do a double shift down the pit. Get a grip and put it into perspective.

Yes, with no background info, that would look like slagging off to anyone.
But there was background info.

Who is going to be looking after your granddaughter at her end of primary school prom?
Teachers, I bet, with no extra pay.
Actually, it nearly wasn't going to happen as no bloody teachers would volunteer to do it

It's embarrassing for the poster to have their assumptions refuted, we all know that. Maybe making fewer assumptions is the better way forward.

"Actually it nearly wasn't going to happen as no bloody teachers would volunteer to do it."

That statement, given with no background info, looks like slagging off, to me.

I think by calling the non volunteers "bloody teachers" was sort of slagging them off.