What should be done about Public Sector pay?

And it is the public sector that supports the private sector to be able to do their work - do we not all use teachers, doctors, nurses, bin men, firefighters, police officers, ambulance drivers, paramedics, council staff who keep essential services running etc etc. Try setting up businesses in a country where none of these services exist or have to be purchased on an individual basis. I'm sick to death of hearing how the private sector funds the public sector as though all those services that we take for granted as a mark of a developed country are somehow leeching off the 'productive' private sector. It's really not like that, each depends on the other, and all workers pay taxes that contribute to the good of all. Please let's stop this 'public sector bad, private sector bad' mentality.

Gillybob, he is dancing to the unions tune, teachers, nurses, firemen, police, hospital porters, hospital cleaners . When he wins an election stand by for the unions to really get going.

Small businesses, has he ever mentioned them ?

I have very little sympathy with the government over teachers pay and conditions because I believe they are out of hand. There seem to be two points that need addressing - pensions and Job Descriptions. If Spreadsheet Phil wants to include the amount an employer pays into a pension, declaring it as part of the total remuneration package, then I feel this should become the standard way of showing everyone's remuneration. If this was the case I think there would be some shocks about just what some - already highly paid people - are actually being remunerated and also, at the other end, just have much bigger the gap is for those on low pay whose employers only pay the statutory minimum into a pension from those whose overall remuneration package is even higher than it appears.

As for JDs, I have been, (as some will be aware) reading a lot to my daughter and this includes for her Lit review. It is obvious that the Education establishment takes until teachers/lecturers reach breaking point before they actually revise JDs. Up to this point, if new work (often from government and not actually teaching) is added or positions taken away the work is just divided and added to the remaining teachers. This very poor way of addressing job changes seems to be the same in the NHS too.

Yes Anniebach me too. JC's Labour Party is a public sector party and really, nothing more. He doesn't give a hoot about the rest of us (you know manufacturers who bring wealth into the country). As far as this bunch of clowns are concerned anyone is business is a fat cat earning fortunes and he is determined to punish private enterprise in favourite of giving wage rises to his precious pubic sector workers. Poor nurses, poor poor policeman and teachers etc. what the idiot can't see is that it is private enterprise that pays for the public sector we all enjoy.

I think the MPs' ability to claim huge expenses has been severely curtailed since the expenses scandal. I also think that in that scandal it was the actions of a high profile few that very sadly brought all MPs into undeserved disrepute.
Accepting that pay rise when restricting public sector workers' pay rises to single figure %ages was crass, to say the least, but one thing should be clarified. MPs don't vote for their pay rises; they're determined by an independent pay review body. Ironically the system was set up to try to remove the taint of self interest. (Hasn't worked, though, has it?)

MP's and MEP's always seem to feather their own nests. Public sector employees do get better pension options. As for pay there is no general rule. Some in both public and private sectors do well and others do not.

I was wrong, MPs got an 11% pay rise. Plus they can claim huge expenses.

Labour have campaigned on zero hours contracts and the gig economy in the private sector, not just the public sector. Nurses, teachers, firefighters, ambulance staff, police, armed forces, all bumping along on less than inflation pay rises, so relatively worse off. MPs though, didn't they have an 8% pay rise?

Teacher's pay may be OK (though with rises pegged to below inflation it will have lost value in real terms since 2010) but school support staff were never particularly well paid and must be struggling as 1% of not very much is not very much.

And schools themselves are having to contend with much reduced budgets, which means staff being laid off and very little money for resources. From what I can gather they are in a very bad state.

So certainly no money for extra teachers GG.

I don't know what pay is like in the rest of the public sector so can't comment.

What is particularly galling, though, is that there was no need to cut public sector spending in the name of 'balancing the budget'; but I won't bore you with Modern Monetary Theory yet again.

Definitely more teachers needed,

I am getting irritated by the constant talk of .public sector pay, not every lives in London , not everyone wants to buy houses in London, as for the constant raking up what the cleaners earn, what about carers employed by private companies, what about the many not in the public sector, minimum wage, no pension , yet all we hear from Corbyn and Mcdonald is public sector workers, partly because they are frightening the public and partly because the big unions are supporting them financialy

Not just more teachers, but a change in the working methods for teachers and children, it sounds like.

Interesting Imperfect. That would suggest more teachers rather than more money per teacher.

Can't speak for any other professions, but I think amongst the teachers I know - and for myself - public sector pay within the teaching profession is ok. It is the working expectations, the conditions in and beyond the classroom, the lack of professional trust and ridiculous learning expectations and stress placed on children that are leading to disillusionment and a mass exodus that is under-reported at present.