What should be done about Public Sector pay?

Nobody wants to apply, though, FarNorth. Nurses are leaving to work in supermarkets or go abroad.
We need them now.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/08/nhs-staff-quitting-to-work-in-supermarkets-because-of-poor-pay

"we need to train more of our own [nurses] without forcing them to pay to do degrees."

Excellent point, Jalima. It's only in recent years that all nurses have been required to do a degree.
Degree level training isn't needed for most nursing roles.

Exactly Jalima it has not stopped, it's just not in the press at the moment. I mention anything on any political post and the attacks start. It's pathetic.

www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/views-from-the-nhs-frontline/2017/jul/24/general-practice-nhs-recruitment-crisis

We are certainly not doing it now!
46 nurses applied for registration from EU countries in April, and it's reduced since then.

I think it was in the 2000s there was quite an outcry about it; we were accused of stripping these nations of their qualified medical staff.

Am I not supposed to say about the fact that my mother was a nurse and we had nurses living with us?
Is that too personal?
It's what happened. It's my experience.

Like I said, Jalima, in the fifties lots of commonwealth people came here to train, then went back home. Not all of them, and perhaps it was the wrong way round, but at least they were taught about hygiene in hygienic conditions.

Why do posts have to become personal?

take not taking

I do remember the furore years ago when the NHS was accused of poaching medical staff from countries which desperately needed them to stay, mainly African countries I think.

No, we don't need more and more nurses from the EU - we need to train more of our own without forcing them to pay to do degrees.

And, if nurses want to come here from English-speaking Commonwealth countries we need to end the absurdity of making them taking an English language test at their own expense and making them taking a Master's degree at their own expense before they can do the jobs that they were deemed qualified to do in their own First World countries where health care is equal to or better than our own.

But they are not!!!!!
EU nurses are going back to the EU, and they are no longer wanting to work here.

My mother was a nurse. We had nurses living with us from the 1950s, as well as doctors. They came from Nigeria, Jamaica, Germany, Holland, even one from Poland, and lots of other countries over the years. They trained here, and many of them went back home, to work in their own countries.
You appear to be very parochial, if you do not mind me using that word.

ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_personnel_statistics_-_nursing_and_caring_professionals#Main_statistical_findings

So you're happy that hospitals in other EU countries have even fewer nurses than us as long as we're alright?

"An EU nurse has said Britain is making him and others feel unwelcome, after a 96% drop in the number of EU nurses coming to work in the UK since the Brexit vote.

Latest figures released show there has been a dramatic drop from a high of 1,304 in July last year to 344 two months later in September.

Numbers have continued to fall, with just 46 nurses from EU countries registering in April this year, leading to fears that lives will be put at “serious risk”.

EU citizens make up 6.9% of the overall nursing staff in the UK, with 22,081 working in the NHS as of December 2016."

And EU nurses are going back home. I am sure you are aware of that, primrose.
That should please you - until you need to go to hospital, of course, and find there are not enough nurses.

dj I'm sure you're aware that not all nurses in the NHS are from the UK and there has been plenty of press over the drop in applications from EU countries. The article mentions Brexit as a reason for the vacancies ....

There is no mention of foreign nurses in that article, so I have no idea why you said that, primrose.

I don't base anything I say on once knowing one lorry driver.
When are you talking about?
Just because some companies cheat the system doesn't mean they all do. The law is that everyone should be paid the rate for the countries they work in.
If he was working for different companies in different countries, he should have been paid the rate in that country.

Once again I see a couple of posters deliberately twisting what I am saying.
I once knew a heavy goods driver in Bulgaria. He was paid at the driving rate in Bulgaria. He could be away from home for ( at the longest, 5 months)
He would be driving all over Europe. He could be in the uk / France/ Germany etc for a few weeks at a time in each country but would still be paid at the BG rate.
That is what myself and Corbyn are against. It's a shame that not many more of you are aware of this practice.
Many of you like to boast about how much you know about what's going on but when it comes down to it you know jack shit.

I don't agree with recruiting nurses from other EU countries where they have a lower nurse per x population ratio than the UK. It's all very well being selfish and saying we need them here for us, but some of EU countries where we actively recruit for NHS staff have fewer nurses per 1,000 people than we do.

Today's NHS data is quite frightening.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/25/soaring-nhs-vacancies-prompt-warnings-of-understaffing-nursing

Sarcasm? Genuine question, I'll have you know!
Where's she gone, anyway?

how naughty!! Who says I can't laugh anyway?

Oy! ww. Laughing at sarcasm not allowed...

You are not a gangmaster, are you, petra?