What should be done about Public Sector pay?

Exactly - and why would anyone want to uproot themselves to go and work and live in a country where things were more expensive and just get paid the same wage as if they had stayed at home!

From durhamjen's post, it seems I wasn't misunderstanding. It's been a long busy day and I was so stunned to think anyone could think it was ok to break the law and discriminate that I thought I'd misunderstood.

Why are you so concerned, petra?

Because it's against the law, petra.

Apologies if I'm misunderstanding Petra but, are you saying that workers from poor Eastern European countries who find employment in the UK should be paid the much lower wages on offer in their country of origin.
If I've understood correctly, it seems you're criticising Corbyn for arguing people in the UK should be paid the rate for the job, no matter their country of origin.
Unless I have this all wrong - then I'm with Jefemy.

I haven't the faintest notion, Petra. He's a closed book as far as I'm concerned.

Though, mind you, if the recruiters are paying lower wages than British workers would get for the same job anyone should be against the practice.

So why is Corbyn against some eu companies recruiting people into the uk and then paying the wage that they would get in that country.
He has spoken up against this practice many times and did again on the Andrew Marr programme this morning.

to buy imported goods

Snap! devongirl

In simple terms, Petra, if you have an increased population and low unemployment (so an increase in people earning) then there will be an increase in demand for services and consumer goods which means higher sales and increased profits.

Even an increase in public sector spending to provide health, education, police services etc to the increased population will have the same effect. The money spent on public services doesn't just disappear into a black hole, it goes on infrastructure, resources etc. All of which are provided by private enterprise and are a source of profit (and tax). Not to mention the spending of their wages by the public sector workers.

Of course, the fly in the ointment is the fact that the biggest companies that profit from all this increased spending like to squirrel away as much of their profits as they can into offshore tax havens, so money is leaching out of the country instead of staying in circulation for everyone's benefit..

And, of course, that we don't have much of a manufacturing base any more so we tend to but imported goods..

petra I don't understand your post - irrespective of views on immigration, is it not the case the increased population = increased demand = increased need to supply, therefore more jobs? Why does that result in lower wages?

I read that one, dj, I just didn't read much further before responding. Then I discovered that she had found it and reposted it. Still with no clarification of why she said it (and denied saying it).

There's a rabbit away somewhere...

I like to look at life in simple terms. The population in the uk in 2008 was 61mil.
Now it's 65mil+ .
In the jobs market it's surply and demand, or am I missing something?
Most of the posters on the political threads are in favour of an open door policy on immigration, the figures ( on wages) and the increase in population show that you can't have it both ways.

You mean you haven't read all those posts by primrose saying she didn't say that, Maizie?

And apologies to nearly everyone for not reading all the new posts before responding to Primroses

Something weird going on here, ladies..

You didn't look hard enough, Primrose. Here it is, copied and pasted, check the time:

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Primrose65 Sat 22-Jul-17 14:17:58
gg you can check the proportions of public sector workers yourself on the IFS report - it is small.
The base number was from full-time work - that's how the ONS report it.
Here's the original article
truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/truth-poverty-britain-much-worse-think/
Here's the link to the infographic they took the number from
www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/Income%20Inequality%20UK.pdf

If there's any truth in those figures and a more 'common income' for full-time work is £12,872 (and I cannot sort of believe that) it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid.

That's how I got to that point.

That's what makes me think those numbers are wrong.

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I think you're just playing games..

I was talking to GracesGran.

Wonder how many do read voxpox

fullfact.org/economy/wealth-uk-richest-1-and-poorest-20/

By the way, going on from the OP, taxresearch has an article about the fact that we can afford all the public services we need; it's just the economic model that prevents it.

There's also another one that says that the average worker at PWC is paid twice what the average HMRC employee is paid.
What's that about public workers being paid more than private?

Did you read the whole of the article that the Voxpolitical article was based on?

www.globalresearch.ca/the-truth-about-poverty-in-britain-is-much-worse-than-you-think/5502783

They have jobs going if you know anyone who wants one in London. They are incredibly busy at the moment.

I hoped full fact would know Jen but, though that shows the drop in wages ever since the Global Crisis - with a little uptick since 2014, it doesn't show this critical bit about whether the pay figures we use are distorted by the top 10%. I have emailed Full Fact to ask but I don't really expect they have time to work it out.

fullfact.org/economy/how-have-wages-changed/

Another interesting comparison.