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What should be done about Public Sector pay?

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GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:09:49

I think my second question would be - just who gets public sector pay these days with outsourcing, etc.

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 15:10:48

fullfact.org/economy/have-wages-fallen-past-ten-years/

This might help, GracesGran.
Haven't been through the whole of Fullfact, but if you search for average, median or mean you will get lots of links. I just wish they would put them in date order.

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 15:06:40

But you denied you said it. You said you'd looked through the whole thread and couldn't see where you'd said it!

From well paid teachers, obviously overpaid.

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/23/homeless-teachers-ashamed-housing-crisis-professionals

gillybob Sun 23-Jul-17 15:05:43

Dogs with rabbits comes to mind hmm

gillybob Sun 23-Jul-17 15:04:57

Who's swearing GG ?

Primrose65 Sun 23-Jul-17 15:00:54

If there is any truth in these figures and a more 'common income' is half the one we are being currently told (and I can sort of believe that) it would put our views of how people are managing in a very different light.
If there's any truth in those figures and a more 'common income' for full-time work is £12,872 (and I cannot sort of believe that) it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid.

That's how I got to that point.

That's what makes me think those numbers are wrong.

And I'm not posting about this ever again.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 23-Jul-17 14:54:06

Because misreading and confusion don't help any more than swearing does?

gillybob Sun 23-Jul-17 14:52:44

OFGS does it matter ?

GracesGranMK2 Sun 23-Jul-17 14:49:09

Primrose you also said Those working in the public sector probably do deserve a pay cut then. You may have meant something different to how that looks in the context of what you had already said though so I suppose what is important is do you or don't you believe that their pay should be cut? Then we can chat knowing where we are each coming from.

I think different answers come from those who have a scarcity mind-set and those who have an abundance one.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 23-Jul-17 14:44:54

I wish we had a body we could go to and ask questions about what is the mean/average, median, etc. for the bottom 90% compared to the same calculation when the top 10% are added back in.

Usually - and I am sure it would be in this case - I would be told I hadn't asked the right question, but that's OK, I just wish I could ask and expert.

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 14:22:48

"If there's any truth in those figures and a more 'common income' for full-time work is £12,872 (and I cannot sort of believe that) it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid."

Did you miss this, Primrose?

Primrose65 Sun 23-Jul-17 14:18:20

I did not post "it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid."
No idea why you're posting that Maizie. I think you might be confused. I've checked all my posts on this thread, and it's not there.

gillybob Sun 23-Jul-17 14:09:37

Now now no buts....

smile. I get in to trouble with DH for saying "but" at the end of sentences .. as in ...

Would you like a sandwich but
Or
That was a really good film but grin

MaizieD Sun 23-Jul-17 13:59:33

I probably will, gillybob grin

But...

gillybob Sun 23-Jul-17 13:38:04

Oh Mazie why not just leave it ? smile

Maybe Primrose was using the average wages of all public sector workers which we all know can distort the real picture.

MaizieD Sun 23-Jul-17 13:32:09

Oh, please forget the figures*Primrose*; just explain why you said that public sector workers deserved a pay cut, and this: it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid.

Neither of these statements has any relevance to the figures unless you believe, on ideological grounds, that the figures show public sector workers are overpaid. Or you were being ironic. Which is it?

I am asking because you appear to be making a value judgement/ expressing your opinion on public sector pay.

Primrose65 Sun 23-Jul-17 13:00:42

durhamjen Just look through the thread and you'll understand why that is totally meaningless. This is really going round in circles. sad

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 12:58:24

"What is grotesque is the next number that should shock everyone. The average pay of the next 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. Yes, you read that right. Stripping out the top 10% of average pay, leaves just £12,969 average pay for the remaining 90% of the population."

Equality Trust quoted in the Voxpolitical article.

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 12:56:22

The list also tells you if they are accredited living wage employers.

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 12:54:48

www.paycompare.org.uk/pay-multiples/

For anyone who wants to see which companies/councils have listed their pay ratios.

Primrose65 Sun 23-Jul-17 12:52:41

Voxpolitical one, not equality trust one, for clarity

Primrose65 Sun 23-Jul-17 12:51:59

Thanks durhamjen that's the article that started all this

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 12:51:31

www.equalitytrust.org.uk/uks-extreme-inequality-should-be-source-national-shame

Primrose65 Sun 23-Jul-17 12:51:23

MazieD Yes it does. I was replying to a post that was saying £12k a year is an average salary. What I don't understand is why you're unable to grasp this.

durhamjen Sun 23-Jul-17 12:48:18

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/01/23/average-wages-for-90-per-cent-of-british-workers-are-less-than-half-what-youve-been-told/

MaizieD Sun 23-Jul-17 12:45:31

I posted an explanation already - what don't you understand about fake numbers?

Fake numbers does not explain why you said that public sector workers should take a pay cut. If you were being ironic why don't you just say so? Don't be coy...