What should be done about Public Sector pay?

durhamjen what has that got to do with a salary cap? I genuinely can't work it out.

Devongirl, I seem to recall it did include part-timers earning about £5,500 on average.
However, if I am wrong, I am sure primrose will correct me.

Iam64 and I stand by my opinion that it's OK to use comparisons to illustrate how impossible some fake numbers are.
I have not made any unpleasant comments at public sector workers, but I think everyone knows that.

By bringing in a bloody law on it to be discussed and voted on in parliament.
I don't expect it to be done in the next few weeks, however.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/22/100-tenants-a-day-lose-homes-rising-rents-benefit-freeze

Don't you think that 100 tenants a day losing their homes because of low pay and benefit caps is obscene?

devongirl it was an article posted by GracesGran

Ooo snipey - I stand by my views on public service and on the unpleasant comments s directed at them by some posters on this thread.

I think I must be missing something here, but skimming through the article citing the figure of about £12k, I can't see any mention of it being annual full-time salary. It seems much more likely to me that it includes people working part-time/zero hours; in which case the comparison of teachers earning £36 being 3x average salary is a spurious one..

durhamjen but how would it be changed?

Iam64 I think the only ill informed part has been people posting fake numbers.

How is £36k an unreasonable figure to use to illustrate teachers salary? It's just over the salary quoted as average for 10 years experience by the Guardian.
www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2016/nov/03/are-englands-teachers-being-paid-enough

Before you start with the Dickensian snips and calling others 'ill informed', do your homework.
3/10.

Change the law the same way you change any other law, through parliament.
How else do we bring in laws?

durhamjen change the law how? How do you differentiate between a legitimate small business and someone who's in business to avoid a salary multiple cap?
This pay cap has not been thought through in my opinion, but I am happy to learn about how it could work.

Edit - MaizieD said Victorian mill owners. i added the Dickensian comment

How any teachers earn 36,000.
Teachers and many other public servants worked hard to qualify, they will have considerable debts as a result.
i agree with MaizieD that many of the attitudes in this discussion would fit nicely in a novel by Charles Dickens.
Its sickening to see so many illinformed and inaccurate statements being made by those who don't seem to have any respect for our teachers, nurses, firefighters, police officers, paramedics and many others who serve our country to the best of. Their ability.

Of course they will try that, primrose.
Again, change the law. Country by country reporting is coming in in the EU. Why not in the UK?
Do you want to live in a country with the most unequal pay in the G20?
I don't.

durhamjen calculations for what?

durhamjen ha ha ha
What would happen then? Paid through limited companies or umbrella companies. Holding companies offshore where profits are drawn down to avoid income tax? Do you really think at people who earn this sort of salary are not smart enough to change the framework of their employment?

So what calculations are correct, primrose?

Jalima exactly. I was saying if GracesGran was right about the average salary in the UK being £12k, then a teacher earning, for example, £36k is actually on 3 times the national average. That's a pretty decent income, I think. (3 times national average)

I was using it as an example to show how those calculations just cannot be correct, as I was fed up being challenged to prove that these are fake numbers.

It's interesting that all the fuss is made about the style of my reply and taking once sentence completely out of context, nothing ever said about fake numbers.

I'll try and refrain from this sort of post in future, as people seem to have real difficulty in concepts.

Changing the law, primrose.

It could save you a lot of money, Jalima.

Corbyn's no more than 20 times the lowest pay should be easily achievable in public and private pay

How durhamjen ?

MaizieD
You can't take one sentence out of context.
I posted an explanation already - what don't you understand about fake numbers?

Perhaps she will enlighten us MaizieD

I took it as irony.

Oh, yes.
I'm too old now to learn how to fit radiators and boilers.

Let's home in a bit closer on Primrose's statement

Those working in the public sector probably do deserve a pay cut then.

Sorry to go on about it but she has not explained what she meant by this and telling us to read her posts is not very enlightening.

I can only conclude from this that she a) thinks that public sector workers are overpaid and b) that she thinks that people's pay needs to equal that of the lowest paid; a race to the bottom.

These are the sort of attitudes I associate with Victorian mill owners..