How to push your case

Keep up the fight!

Nothing to do with the topic in hand but the cruise sails from Liverpool and back to Liverpool. Rugged and Rural Canada on Fred Olsen's Boudicca.

Of course there are points in favour of and against Brexit but on balance the arguments favour staying part of the EU. The biggest problem facing the UK is not Brexit but the consumer debt mountain and the level of government debt. Hefty tax rises sooner or later will happen whoever is in power.

I agree Cindersdad that "Brexit means Brexit is utterly devoid of any substance" which is why I've never said it.

I've not seen anyone post that they're glad Cindersdad is going on holiday devongirl. I for one have enjoyed the 2 threads he's started. It's nice to be able to discuss issues where posters can respect another's point of view even though they don't agree.

Hope you get plenty ofCindersdad and I'm a she by the way.

Not glad - but it's a bit disconcerting when someone says 'I'm off on my hols' and then keeps popping back!

Cindersdad enjoy your cruise - and I'm sure actually the people who are glad to hear you're going are not the majority!

When are you actually going, Cindersdad?

To Darnsarf and Smilesless2012 you are of course free to promote any causes you care about. I happen not to agree with Smilesless2012 but he/she should be encouraged to put their case and even win us over. "Brexit means Brexit" is utterly devoid of substance.

Thank you all for all good wishes. I shall return on the 14th August. In this topic I have hitherto deliberately avoided taking sides. You all know what I think about Brexit. You can twist statistics on most things to show the results you agree with. What really makes Brexit so different is the number of blatant lies told especially by the leave campaign. A referendum based on lies is not democratic and at least needs to be rerun when the full facts are known. A lot of damage has already been done to the economy because of Brexit, a hard Brexit would reduce our status in the world further.

Have a fab holiday.

Darnsarf

I completely misunderstood the title of the OP because I thought it was offering advice on how to push your suit case! Had me quite interested there for a minute.

Funny how you only seem to believe in "democracy in action" when that action is to overturn the wish of the majority who voted for Brexit GG.

Enjoy yourself cinders and come back refreshed ready to take on the world!! Well at least the Brextremists.

You will be missed Cindersdad, by those of us who believe in democracy in action and are glad to see someone who is pursuing it. Have a wonderful break.

It is not often I agree with you! Have a lovely time. (Is it one of those round the world cruises which is away for 100 days?)