Surprising proposed changes to gender identification legislation

Maria Miller, the MP responsible for this nonsense, says that enacting this legislation brings Britain into the 'modern' world and puts us in line with the 6 or 8 other countries who have already enacted this. If you go online, there is plenty of info about the ways in which this kind of legislation negatively impacts women and girls.

For the few - did someone one say .3% - of the population who are genuinely gender dysphoric, we are putting HALF OF THE POPULATION at risk. The safety and privacy of women and girls is of no concern to those who support this madness.

Since it is only the LGBT community that is being consulted about this proposal, I urge everyone who opposes it to write to your MP. This legislation WILL go ahead unless enough of us put pressure on our representatives to exhibit some common sense.

I really am struggling to see what the politicians are trying to do here.

Yes, gender dysphoria must be terrible. But lets not kid ourselves, this proposed bill has nothing to do with people who suffer with this condition.

Let's consider some hypotheticals. You are a man, not a very nice man, one who looks down on women and enjoys treating them badly. You are not confused about your gender at all, you are a man and you are totally comfortable with that. Nevertheless, you apply for and receive a Gender Reassignment Certificate. You make no changes to how you live - you dress, speak, live like a man, just a man who has quietly got himself a certificate. Why would you do that? Well, you can now walk into women's toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc. and nobody - absolutely NOBODY - can ask you to leave. If you're particularly nasty, you can threaten to prosecute them for discrimination if they try. You enjoy seeing women's discomfort, enjoy seeing their frustration at not being able to do anything about you. And, if you take your nastiness too far and find yourself convicted of something, you have your certificate that insists you are sent to a women's prison. Where you'll complain about discrimination if you are segregated from the women in any way.

I don't know about you, but I think my hypothetical nasty man would thoroughly enjoy having this certificate. Remember, he doesn't have to actually do anything to change how he presents his gender. No drugs, no surgery (80% of current transgender males retain their penis anyway) no skirts, no make-up. Nothing. Doesn't even have to tell anyone.

Let's take the hypotheticals even further. Nasty man doesn't even bother getting a certificate, just uses that other nasty men have, to walk into women's spaces, safe if the knowledge that these bitches know better than to so much as look at him wrong 'cos he'll complain loud and long if they do.

Now, women of our age may seethe silently - what of the younger ones? Especially girls, still young and unsure. My hypothetical imaginings mean these girls are effectively GROOMED to not object to men walking in on them. What is this going to do to them? Their ability to set boundaries, to hone their instincts, to protect themselves?

I'm sure many of you will scoff and say 'that won't happen' or 'you're being too pessimistic'- but seriously, what is going to prevent these scenarios? I've seen estimates that transgender people are about 0.3% of the population. I'm guessing the number of misogynistic, opportunistic, predatory males (my nasty men) is way, way higher than that. Way higher.

Maybe I do know what the politicians are doing. There is a term I see often - 'virtue signalling'. What I would be more inclined to call 'holier than thou'. It seems to be quite the rage - say things that don't affect you personally, then sit back polishing your halo and ignoring the effects on anybody-but-you. I have so little respect left for politics.

It was in the ST this week. I find it very very hard to believe indeed. Let us hope that it will be voted out by parliament. Apologies to those who regard that statement as "sexist" or "discriminatory" but in my view it is quite simply completely bonkers.

Yes, after I sent 'perfectly normal man', I thought that was a dumb thing to say. I was thinking biologically rather than mentally, but of course, under the proposed changes, there is NO psychological assessment...so, yes, any pervert can simply declare himself a woman and hey, presto!

Re: how this affects prisons, Google 'Paris Green' a transgender 'woman'(with a female penis, obviously) who for his own safety was sent to a women's prison where he had sex with two women...so, a convicted murderer and a potential rapist in a female prison, but he has to be there for HIS safety!

I would imagine for prisons, they will assign on the basis of 'gender at time of arrest'. But yes, I suppose you could change your sex, commit a crime and then go to a women's prison. To be honest, I wouldn't want to be the only man in that situation.

I dont think any "perfectly normal"men would declare themself women ,I think anyone who did this would have some sort of psychological problem, or devious intent, which should be addressed. So if a male criminal fancied going to a woman's prison instead of a male one he could just say he was a woman? I don't think this is a good idea and could just create a whole load more problems.

Smileless2012 - that's why I started this post. The proposal is so unbelievable that anyone who hasn't heard about it thinks it must be made up or misunderstood. It's not. It's just what I said and the links confirm. Madness.

Thanks for the links

x post - you beat me to it Ana

Here's a link to the report in the Indie

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transgender-rules-reform-gender-dysphoria-changes-2004-gender-recognition-self-identify-a7855381.html

I really cannot see why men would bother to change the gender on their birth certificates to get access to vulnerable women - the men who want to abuse women do it already.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transgender-rules-reform-gender-dysphoria-changes-2004-gender-recognition-self-identify-a7855381.html

Presumably you can just choose to change back if you decide you don't like it...?

I don't wish to be rude YankeeGran but are you sure about this? I'm asking because I find it impossible to believe if it is to be exactly as you've stated in your OP. Where did you get this information from? Is there a link you could provide us with?

so you're comfortable with the fact that intact biological males can use what have been women-only facilities? You're happy for them to be in refuges and communal changing rooms and showers?

I don't think I would be so bothered if use of these facilities were limited to truly gender dysphoric men, but in fact, it's not them I'm worried about; it's the perfectly normal men who will use this as a means to gain access to women and girls, many of whom are already in vulnerable situations.

I read that the women protesting are feminists reacting to something Germaine Greer said... transgender people can't be women.

At the moment it would appear that an individual seeking a change in their gender has to be diagnosed with a mental health condition first, eg, gender dysphoria. To me that sounds very unfair.

I have to say that I don't quite see what you're objecting to. So, in answer to your question, I think it is entirely reasonable that this proposal becomes law.