Government Watch - 2

So, let's look at what the TV news is reporting and the papers will be reporting tomorrow. It happened and I am afraid we cannot wind back time and change it just so her fans can feel good.

It was a car crash. No one could blame anyone for having a cough. The poor women had done so many interviews pre the speech and her voice had held up, so I feel very sorry for her. The stunt with the P45 was what it was. If you are pro the Tory Party you will think it quite dreadful and obviously the fault of the comedian but what on earth were her security guys doing? The last, and what seemed slightly like an act of God, were the letters falling off the set behind her from the "Building a country that works for everyone", jerry building in this case, sadly. I'm afraid you couldn't have scripted it.

I think TM was receiving some compassion on here from those who abhor her policies dbDB77 and all you can do is lash out - sad, very sad.

I imagine that tomorrow they, and we, will discuss the speech but there is no good hiding from the fact that it was an ill attended conference, which many MPs chose not to go to, and that one member of the cabinet seems to have set out to undermine, which ended with a high level of incompetence surrounding the leader as she gave her speech.

Then ab you don't know your history either and you are also demeaning the horror of Nazism.

Someone else who has no sense of history.

The only minister at Boris's speech yesterday was Michael Gove. I knew May wasn't there, but hadn't realised none of the others were there.

the rallies for Corbyn has always reminded me of the hysteria which gripped Germany,

Well didn't Amber Rudd do well with Eddie Mair on PM. The Tories are clearly spoilt for choice for their next leader.

db you clearly don't like JC, don't like the fact that Labour had a good conference and so bring in Hitler - I think that's an absolutely shocking thing to do and in fact cheapens the whole utter unspeakable horror of Nazism. How could anyone with any sense of history and understanding of the Second World War make that comparison? I'm shocked that you could do that, I really am.

www.change.org/p/all-mps-in-house-of-commons-call-on-boris-johnson-to-resign-he-is-not-fit-to-serve

Florence Welch has now tweeted that had they asked for permission to play her music at the Conference it would have been refused. It just goes from bad to worse.

Few minutes of coughing?
At times it looked like she wasn't going to be able to finish it.

Nuremberg rallies?
That's a weird comparison. Corbyn was inside a hall, talking to a few hundred supporters. I didn't see any helmets or uniforms.
Corbyn wouldn't have those anyway.
He gets accused by the Tories of wanting to get rid of the army, then accused of looking like he's talking to a Nuremberg rally?
I think you need to have a look at those film clips again.

What argument? I'm merely commenting as an observer who's not affiliated to either of the parties. Surely observations are allowed on Gransnet?

Where was her sense of duty when she called a totally unnecessary election for her own benefit?

Losing of course not using

When someone is using an argument, they resurrect Hitler. Shame on you db but then you have to detract attention from the fact that most of the ideas in her speech were lifted from Labour ideas.

I watched the whole speech - was not surprised that the BBC & ITV news both concentrated on the few minutes of coughing & the heckler rather than the body of the speech. It's what they think is "newsworthy" rather than informing the viewers.
I've read the comments against TM & understand what people are saying but the tenor of her speech & the conference response seemed measured & thoughtful in contrast to JC's speech at the Labour conference & the reaction to it, which reminded me of film clips I've seen of the Nuremberg rallies.

Theresa May criticised Corbyn in her speech, then criticised Laura Pidcock for saying she could not be friends with a Tory.
Not very friendly.

www.indy100.com/article/theresa-may-conservative-party-conference-speech-boris-johnson-michael-gove-7983111

And all the rest of the cabinet members reactions to her speech.
I don't know if anyone was wacthing on subtitles, but the BBC put it in capitals every time she coughed.

I didn't realise it was as bad as it was. Fewer than 100 of the 316 MPs attended.

Promoted to the highest level of competence - meaning to incompetence.

Labelled as "the Peter Principle" by Laurence J. Peter (1969).

I think May has definitely been promoted too far. She can't seem to do anything right. Even The Palace are annoyed by her poor grasp of etiquette after the election.

I do feel sorry for her as she is probably doing her best - but her best just isn't good enough to lead the country at a very difficult time.

She is trapped there though. Nobody better seems to be ready for the role and she does seem to have a strong sense of duty so can't resign like her predecessor did.

Welshwife; 'highest level of incompetance'....a term that's been in the back of my mind for a while. Alas, we have a whole government at this level. I've never known anything like it.

It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive but for me in this case it is. If I felt she had some real compassion and insight into ordinary people's lives, I might be more sympathetic, but she hasn't so I don't.

I certainly think that has happened here Welshwife; I see she is a very good high level administrator but this seems like torture. Obviously none of us can do anything about it - that is down to here and the Conservative party.

I really cannot see disagreeing - intensely disagreeing - with someone's political views while sympathising with what she is going through personally is mutually exclusive.

I can't be so charitable. I think I'd respect her more if she had the dignity and grace not to take pot shots at JC but to criticise his policies instead.

Sometimes people are promoted above their capabilities - everyone must have seen that in their working lives. This is probably what has happened here - I assume she was a good constituency MP as she was elected and re-elected.
When she was first made PM and both she and her husband were in the limelight I saw a report that both of them were political and they decided only one of them should pursue a political career and so Philip made another career.
It must be good for her to be able to go home and relax etc with one who understands.
Although I do not agree at all with what she is doing I still feel sorry for her and the position she now finds herself in. Must be difficult to decide what would be her best course of action to get a better life back. It must be a complete nightmare that she is living at the moment - failure at every exit whatever she chooses to do.

I'm not disagreeing with you - but I actually don't care that she's not a bad personal ( whatever that means) but I care she's a dreadful prime minister with appalling judgement and it's her choice to be carrying on