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whitewave Wed 26-Jul-17 13:27:27

Very much needed.

First happy thing to report.

Unison have won their case making it illegal to charge employees for employment litigation. Introduced by the Tories in 2013.

The judges quite rightly said it was wrong to make it difficult/impossible for anyone to resort to law.

Those who paid will be reimbursed.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 18:54:51

Yes, I couldn't believe he said that, either, GracesGran.
He'll be telling us there's a cure for being foreign next.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 18:52:38

Jeremy Hunt ought to know better than to claim the Tories set up the NHS, as well. If there's one thing that there is a well known history of, it's the NHS.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/nhs/news/89517/excl-jon-ashworth-conservative-claim-they-set-nhs-laughable

GracesGranMK2 Tue 03-Oct-17 18:44:51

Unbelievable. The man is a fool.

I believe we will, eventually, find a cure for the psychological contamination of radical, Islamist, extremism. Just as we eradicated smallpox and polio, it came and it will go.

The arrogance about other cultures, however much we think they are wrong is simply thoughtless and almost certainly dangerous.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 18:29:32

This man has just lost any youth vote they ever had among the young unemployed.

uk.businessinsider.com/tory-mp-tells-unemployed-brits-to-get-on-your-bike-and-work-on-farms-with-gorgeous-eu-women-2017-10

Hard to believe he's under investigation for fiddling the election against Farage.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 18:27:42

I am sure Corbyn doesn't mind, particularly when Channel four factcheck shows how wrong Hammond was on every attack.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/philip-hammonds-attack-on-labour-over-market-economics

GracesGranMK2 Tue 03-Oct-17 18:20:03

I wonder what percentage of these speeches are actually about Jeremy Corbyn and the left? Surely if you are in power you don't give your opposition air time.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 03-Oct-17 18:18:52

"According to The Spectator -Less than one in three people say that they would vote for the Tories. Hardly anyone under 49 would vote for them."

After listening to Boris I think it may now be one in four. How interesting to talk about the share of the vote that 'May' won when they are so against PR ... currentlysmile

whitewave Tue 03-Oct-17 17:12:05

I watched his speech -he is the silliest man imaginable and the average 71 year old at the Tory party conference lapped it up. You would think they knew better.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 16:10:27

"We are going to crack global warming, with British clean technology and British green finance – in which we lead the world."

Hasn't the government closed the green investment bank?
Hasn't it stopped investment in renewable energy?

Johnson obviously hasn't been told yet.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 15:55:08

www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9965

What the IFS thinks of Tory changes to student finance.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 15:51:07

Boris calling his speech let the lion roar. Idiot has forgotten that the lion is the new symbol of UKIP.

whitewave Tue 03-Oct-17 15:07:49

According to The Spectator -Less than one in three people say that they would vote for the Tories. Hardly anyone under 49 would vote for them

whitewave Tue 03-Oct-17 13:27:53

Apparently he is the father of Brexit???????

Is there no end to their delusion and vanity

Tegan2 Tue 03-Oct-17 12:31:05

By the time brexit happens will any of it's instigators be doing anything other than counting how much money they have personally made from it? Other than Johnson who appears to be in it for self glory of some kind....

whitewave Tue 03-Oct-17 11:43:35

I see the Telegraph is reporting that Davis is retiring in 2019, which presumably will be before Brexit is completed.

Looks more and more likely that Johnson will be a shoe-in as leader.
Well I suppose it was inevitable that we have to have a British version of Trump.
Heaven help us.

whitewave Tue 03-Oct-17 11:39:42

ygg yes Orgreave is a good example of what any government will do when feeling threatened.

Judging by the conference attendance and deadly dull speeches, this government is more likely to send people to sleep as a defence mechanism rather than knock them on the head with a baton.

yggdrasil Tue 03-Oct-17 09:20:09

Durhamjen said "Whitewave, you mentioned Catalan. I have been watching videos, and I am not sure they were all police.
Why would riot police attack firefighters?"

The riot police were from Madrid, sent by the Spanish Government. They attacked a lot of people, the firemen, ordinary people trying to vote, even the local Catalan police.
I'd like to say it couldn't happen in the UK, but I remember Orgreave :-(

GracesGranMK2 Mon 02-Oct-17 21:40:04

Goodness Primrose, all those educated people regurgitating things they have read and heard (from people who know) and then thought about themselves. The world will obviously come to an end because you don't think it's right.

The only person who is tying themselves in knots (because of lack of knowledge) is you it seems so please don't try and attack others who have tried to help you when you asked.

durhamjen Mon 02-Oct-17 19:52:19

Simon Wren-Lewis calls it overreach, GracesGran.

durhamjen Mon 02-Oct-17 18:33:52

Come on, primrose, you're not trying. Someone as intelligent as you shouldn't need to be spoonfed.

Primrose65 Mon 02-Oct-17 18:20:50

You're right.

Me saying straight up that I cannot find anyone who uses the term means I'm in need of a google lecture.

Then it's "As that was my phrase you will not just be able to google it".

This is what happens when people regurgitate stuff they've heard to try and sound clever. They end up tying themselves in knots.

Thanks for the clarity.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 02-Oct-17 17:47:36

I have a feeling that this is a case of 'if you can't get them to say what you want just distract them' Now who used to do that all the time?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 02-Oct-17 17:46:17

There was me thinking I was the first to use it! When I was very young I thought I had invented the word sabbatical - this feels almost as sad grin

whitewave Mon 02-Oct-17 17:44:36

gg wow I found it on google!!!!!??

Primrose65 Mon 02-Oct-17 17:43:57

Well done, but that's not what I'm struggling to find.