Our country post Brexit

Going to get our food from the US, are we?

I see the free trade think tank has produced a report about free trade after Brexit, and is willing to sacrifice the British farming industry.

What a clever idea

Basically they want everything to stay the same but don't want to pay any money to the EU. Sounds reasonable [not!]...

I couldn't believe it when I read this.

"Doctors, care-workers and fruit-pickers should be able to come to the UK after Brexit in at least the same numbers as they currently do, according to Leave voters.

A report from the British Future think-tank reveals that of those who voted Leave in last year’s referendum, 92% want to see the number of foreign doctors in the UK stay the same or increase, 66% want the same for care-workers and 52% for fruit-pickers.

The research also reveals that 64% of all voters believe the Government should scrap its target of reducing net migration to the UK to below 100,000, and instead replace it with separate aims for skilled and unskilled workers."

Wasn't all the fuss about fruit-pickers, etc., taking the work away from the British?
Remind me why Brexit is happening, because many Brexiteers appear to have forgotten.

Thanks petra; I must admit to not wanting to watch it [the friend who sent it to me was almost evangelical about it which freaked me out somewhat]. I very much doubt that it will change my being a remoaner [the bit I've seen so far just seems to think that we should become more like Switzerland] but it is important to see the other side of the argument. Having spoken to several people in my anti brexit group yesterday I can see how incredibly complex trade deals are; their knowledge is far greater than mine will ever be, and they are staunch remainers. But I do want to learn more.

Tegan2
I have seen that film, but I knew what was/is going on before I saw it.
I doubt if many on this thread will bother as it goes against everything they believe.
If people have the time I suggest they read the comments.

Gaby Roslyn posted that on twitter

I will try to watch it over the next week as I need to understand more why this all happened...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
..not sure if this link will work [have done it more for my own benefit to be honest, as it's taken me ages to find it]. It was sent to me from a brexiteer friend prior to the referendum and I have to admit to not watching it, but I intend to find the time to over the next few days just to see the arguments for brexit. It was the first time that I realised there was a serious possibility of people voting for brexit.
...moved from the Govt watch thread....

From the other side of the Channel, reading the local news and listening to the TV ^programmes etc, the rest of Europe will be quite glad to see the back of the UK. They (or 'we' from my point of view) were never full members anyway. Never accepted the euro, always a separate island nation.
All they want is our money, then good riddance.
And thankyou for giving us your valuable banking companies.

We never said that to our boys either dj so for me the entire 'quote of the day' is a load of rubbish. Shame that the writer wanted to be anonymous and doesn't have the courage of their convictions. Perhaps s/he is still benefiting from the 'bank of mum and dad' and wasn't prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Alas, we're going away [which is why I wanted to do something constructive yesterday]. Someone in our group is going.

Any one interested there is the people's march on Saturday in London.

The problem for Davis is that the Brexiters promised do much and they know that they cannot deliver - so how are the voters expectations going to be managed?

Another Brit who thinks the Caliphate starts at the Channel Tunnel?

Yes - I know a woman with a holiday home in France quite local to us who the morning after the referendum was with a group of Brits discussing the vote and she told them that she voted to leave 'because I have never liked Muslims'!!!! It just beggars belief that anyone is so narrow minded and ignorant of the facts.
We still have votes and I have to say our Electoral office were very efficient and sent the papers early so we did the biz and sent them back immediately.
How many times now have Brits abroad been promised votes for life and it has been renamed upon?

WelshWife: Amazingly there are Brits living in EU countries who voted to leave believing that nothing would change for them.
It is amazing, but what gets my goat is that those of us who have been out of the country for 15 years or more did not get a vote. The stink that raised caused the Tory Party to pledge that we would get a vote in the future...another broken promise, as come the last election nothing had changed and we still didn't get a vote.

Apparently according to the Independent, Labour has gained more support/points since Starmer's statement.

Remain is gaining momentum

Same here, whitewave. Anyone like this idea?

I see some Tory MPs have had their spine transplant. Hope it takes, and they don't bottle out over the next weeks and months.

Country before party should be their motto

dj read somewhere that suggested what we need it an extensionof A50 not a transition, as transition can only happen when we have left and extension gives us more time to negotiate. That makes sense to me.

I believe this. Not all parents, of course, and I never said that to my kids.

The problem is, of course, that we don't have time to have a Tory leadership election now, and May knows it.

Time to get rid of May.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/02/tory-mps-threaten-theresa-may-over-brexit-votes

This is definitely blackmail.
I read an article about Sports Direct where they are asking workers to press emojis to say whether they are happy or sad at working there. If they press sad they are then singled out by management, as they use fingerprint recognition, and asked to explain themselves.
I don't think they need to use this in parliament as the whips are very good at recognising those who dissent, but Frank Field has suggested they should, so MPs know how the workers feel.
Two forms of blackmail.

"Amidst the total confusion that surrounds the government’s approach to Brexit I believe that three things are becoming clearer, by default.

The first is that a transitional deal is essential.

The second is that like it or not this means leaving all EU participation in decision making behind but otherwise carrying on exactly as before, in single market and customs union membership, subject to the Euripean Court of Justice, with free movement and with a full contribution payable.

Third, no one has a clue what might happen when this transition ends.

That’s not as such a negotiating position. It is more akin to a plea for help to get the UK out of the mess it chose. But with Labour having seemingly adopted this as policy and the Tories having nothing else to offer that is viable, let alone vaguely responsible, the likelihood of it becoming the default option seems very high.

In that case I did think it worth checking that this is possible. The April 2017 EU guildelines on negotiating Brexit say:

The British government has indicated that it will not seek to remain in the Single Market, but would like to pursue an ambitious free trade agreement with the European Union. Based on the Union’s interests, the European Council stands ready to initiate work towards an agreement on trade, to be finalised and concluded once the United Kingdom is no longer a Member State.

20. Any free trade agreement should be balanced, ambitious and wide-ranging. It cannot, however, amount to participation in the Single Market or parts thereof, as this would undermine its integrity and proper functioning. It must ensure a level playing field, notably in terms of competition and state aid, and in this regard encompass safeguards against unfair competitive advantages through, inter alia, tax, social, environmental and regulatory measures and practices.

Nothing in here precludes this transition, even if it was not anticipated before David Davis’ inability to negotiate became clear. What it does say is that there is no cherry picking, at all. It is take it or leave it.

I now have little doubt we will take it for a long time to come.

And then ask to go back because we never will agree on the alternative."

Richard Murphy.
Sounds right to me.