Our country post Brexit

we do have the freedom to elect our own government? isn't that called a general election?

No dj I didn't miss the election and I didn't miss the referendum either but a lot of people do appear to have missed the referendum and rather a lot of them were the young.

I had no idea that so many of the shafting older generation don't have children and GC or is it that they are so utterly selfish that they voted to shaft their own off spring rather than vote for what they considered would give them the better future.

I think the young have just proved they are up for voting now, Smileless, or did you miss the election?

Same here, Jalima!
I really like Marlborough wines. I know I shouldn't because they need a lot of miles to bring them here, but at least I don't fly myself.

Well I think Vince Cable's remarks are ridiculous. You must know 1000's of old people whitewave to know "they see themselves as martyrs who say it's worth losing jobs over and to let the economy decline - when in point of fact they have nothing to lose".

I wasn't old enough to vote for membership of the Common Market in the 70's from which the EU has grown. I voted to leave when I had the opportunity to do so and have never believed myself to have been shafted or badly done too by my elders because they voted 'yes' in the 70's.

Let's hope Cable never becomes PM because if he did we know one thing for certain post Brexit; ageism. Let's just hope that the young who didn't bother to vote and feel shafted have learned their lesson and will be bothered to vote next time they have the opportunity to do so.

The wines allegedly caught up in the scandal include bottles of sauvignon blanc and pinot noir from the Marlborough and Waipara regions in the north of the south island, produced between 2011-2013.
Too late - I've drunk it now!!

Whitewave I like the phrase 'coloured by nostalgia for an imperial past'.
Makes me think of all those people who say it was better before the EU. I honestly can't remember that far back, apart from the highlights.

Can't even trust New Zealand wine.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/06/new-zealand-thousands-of-bottles-of-allegedly-fraudulent-wine-exported

The UK has offered £36bn as a divorce settlement. I wonder if they stuck their finger into the air and came up with a figure?

I absolutely agree with Vince Cable when he said that the old have shafted the young over Brexit.

The old see themselves as martyrs who say it is worth losing jobs over and to let the economy decline - when in point of fact they have nothing to lose.

I have thought exactly that since the referendum.

Excerpt From the telegraph:

Encouraging motorists to trade in their petrol cars for diesel vehicles was one of the last Labour government’s biggest environmental mistakes.
Barry Gardiner, the shadow Environment minister, said the party was trying to cut CO2 emissions when it introduced new vehicle tax rates in 2001.
It meant that motorists switched to diesel vehicles and parts of the country saw a big increase in nitrogen dioxide and other harmful chemicals in the atmosphere.
Mr Gardiner said: “Hands up — there's absolutely no question that the decision we took was the wrong decision.
Gordon Brown, who at the time was the Chancellor of the Exchquer, announced in 1998 that “diesel cars should attract less vehicle tax than their petrol equivalents because of their better CO2 performance”.
In 2001, when Mr Brown reduced vehicle tax for all cars with low CO2 emissions, giving company car buyers, responsible for half of new purchases, an incentive to switch to diesel.
Motoring groups warned that new levies would hit drivers already struggling to cope with high prices at the pumps and lower the resale value of diesel vehicles.

Starting at around £35,000 the Tesla isn't exactly affordable for a lot of people. Also we need to look at how easy it will be to charge these cars as/when more and more people buy them. Our town has 2 charging points in the town centre. I live in a large housing estate the design of which could not accommodate charging points.

But the EU installed technocrats in Greece & Rome gg when they didn't like the economic policies of the elected leaders. How does that work?

It's a shame the EU doesn't have 'a freedom' to democratically elect your own government.

It does. Is the belief that it doesn't the basis you voted on?

It's a shame the EU doesn't have 'a freedom' to democratically elect your own government.

Not at all. You are deflecting.
The quote I gave was about the four freedoms of the EU. Nothing to do with the blackshirts.

durhamjen
Once again you deflect because you can't defend the idea that Walther Funk put forward.
I don't think that Mosley was thinking about cars when he was defending the idea of a European Union.
I think his thought process went a bit deeper than that.

How strange, petra.
That was a quote from the SMMT.
I don't think Mosley was all that concerned about cars.

Gillybob, if I said you were a liar and a cheat my post would be deleted by HQ. How come you think it's acceptable to call Gordon Brown a liar and a cheat?

Where did he lie and cheat?

Im sorry, but I am in touch with a lot of employers and some multi fleet buyers too! I know we absolutely told to buy diesel by the Liar and cheat Gordon Brown.

durhamjen
Your post at 16.06.
"The European market and to a certain extent the European project is more important to them than the uk"
You never quoted a more truer word.... the European project, that's what it's all about.
I'm sure you have heard of Walther Funk. He had the grand idea of what we are witnessing today, and it's all coming true, the euro, the European army.
I'm sure you also know that the arch fascist Oswald Mosley was in favour of a 'European union'
So there we have, not one, but two fascist that support a 'project' that you totally support.

I think at the moment those are a premium price but should gradually get cheaper. 500 miles is what they are aiming for.

The Tesla electric cars have a long range version now - just over 300 miles, you can give them a half charge in 30 minutes. Totally agree about batteries, it's going to be interesting to see how they develop in the next few years.

The car industry believed in Diesel engines - they cost a lot more than petrol ones to make and because they believed in it the manufacturers did not pass on the actual difference in cost to the consumer. They did believe that diesel was the way to go - at the time we knew leaded petrol was a problem.
Electric cars So far will do a maximum of about 200+ miles before a recharge so some form of engine is still required either to keep the battery charged or to take over from the battery. Battery development is a big thing now so within the not too distant future cars will be able to do longer journeys before a recharge. The speed of recharge also needs to be speeded up.
At the moment Ford have their European R and D facility is in UK - let's hope they keep it there.

Gordon Brown was perfectly aware of the N02 and particulate issues with diesel engines I'm sure - he was simply responding to the C02 targets of the Kyoto treaty. It was nothing to do with 'safer' at the time, it was about numbers. He didn't have to lie to make a balls up of anything!