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Interview with The Mogg

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Baggs Sun 13-Aug-17 09:25:54

I thought some peeps might like to get their teeth into this article from today's Sunday Times.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, an English Trump but better at Latin

Chris Lange-KuettnerAugust 13 2017, 12:01am,
As Moggmentum surges, the historian Tim Newark grills his fogeyish back-bench Tory friend about his leadership plans over plum crumble

Jacob Rees-Mogg came round for lunch with us last week in Bath, a suitable location for this politician dubbed “MP for the 18th century”. As it was the summer recess I thought he might have loosened his top button a little but no: he arrived impeccably dressed in a double-breasted suit with a shirt and tie. Rees-Mogg says he has “never worn a pair of jeans”.

Charming and polite throughout lunch, he praised the plum crumble my wife made for him, knowing his delight in traditional British food.

Rees-Mogg is exactly as you would imagine him to be. And these days authenticity is the major currency of any politician with eyes on high office. Only recently taking to Twitter with a Latin maxim, he gets more “likes” and “shares” for his tweets than any cabinet member, including the prime minister.

Fiercely loyal to Theresa May so long as she remains Conservative Party leader, he strikes a growing number of Tory backbenchers as just too good to be left on the back benches. Here is a man with a sharp intellect who serves on the ­Treasury select committee and gave Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, a hard time about his anti-Brexit advice before the referendum.

To his fans Rees-Mogg is straight talking, has disarming humour, is good on television, unflinchingly patriotic and a successful businessman from a privileged background who nevertheless understands the concerns of ordinary men and women. Like an English version of Donald Trump but with a better grasp of Latin. Does he see any similarity?

Rees-Mogg answers carefully and says that he fully understands the message of the populist revolution in 2016 that rocked the ruling classes on both sides of the Atlantic. “The governing elite in both the US and the UK,” he said, “had come to the conclusion that the only reason that people wouldn’t do what they said is because they didn’t understand.

“You see this in the shockingly condescending views expressed by some Remoaners who think that the people that voted for Brexit were all stupid. It’s a very odd way of looking at things if you believe in democracy.”

Rees-Mogg said serving the grassroots lies at the heart of his political philosophy: “As a constituency MP I am always seeking to represent the people remote from the centres of power, rather than the interests of lobby groups.”

Asked why he cares so much about Brexit, he said it is “all about democracy. Can the British people have the government that they want?

“The problem with the European Union is we can be ­outvoted by a qualified majority vote and therefore laws can be passed that the ­British people have not only not consented to but have opposed.”

Was he upset that May laughed at the suggestion of him being in the cabinet? If he is he does not show it, rebuffing the question with good humour: “I’m a back-bench MP. I’m supporting Theresa May. My ambition is to be re-elected in North East Somerset. It would be unreal­is­tic of me to have further ambitions.”

His recent interventions suggest otherwise. Rees-Mogg put the chancellor in his place over collective cabinet responsi­bility and slapped down a proposal from James Chap­man, a former aide to David Davis and George Osborne, for a new “Democrats” anti-Brexit party.

With his experience in business and the City, is Rees-Mogg well placed to take on the role of chancellor in due course — like a Boris with financial brains? He sidestepped the question: “I don’t think it’s going to be offered.”

Certainly, some part of the Conservative grassroots is all agog with the thought of him standing as leader when the time is right. “Cometh the hour, cometh the Mogg” is a recurring line. But others — including the former Conservative MP Matthew Parris — are not so keen.

In his Times column yesterday Parris described Rees-Mogg’s views on moral, social, sexual and reproductive issues as “brute moral conservative” and warned that electing him as leader would kill off the “broad-church Conservative Party”.

Does Rees-Mogg even have the hunger for high political office? Recently celebra­ting the birth of his sixth child, naturally named Sixtus, he rejoices in his large ­family, lives in a mansion dating back to 1600 deep in the Somerset countryside and has amassed a fortune through his Somer­set Capital Management business.

Having entered the Commons only in 2010, Rees-Mogg claims repeatedly that he has already attained his highest ambition of being MP for North East Somerset.

“The local party is part of who I am and what I am,” he insists. But surely he wants to ride the Moggmentum into a cabinet post?

“I’m very interested in political ideas, developing Conservative thinking, and I’m very keen that we should have a positive message for Conservatism,” he said.

“Our last manifesto was much too defensive and much too managerial. That was why we went from having such a strong lead in the polls to having a very marginal election victory . . . The campaign did not succeed. You can have a role in that without holding great office.”

Will he never throw his hat into the ring of a future leadership election?

“I think if I threw my hat in the ring, my hat would be thrown back at me pretty quickly,” he said.

Nor will he be drawn on who should be the next party leader. “There are so many people that would be capable of doing it,” he said, “and who it ends up being, as with Mrs May getting it, is a matter of luck as anything.”

Surely he wants a Brexiteer? “By the time Mrs May finally decides to become a countess and go to the House of Lords,” he reassures me, “we’ll have long since left the European Union.”

Rees-Mogg, 48, was born in Hammersmith, west London. His father was The Times editor William Rees-Mogg. The family has long ties with Somerset thanks to owning local coalmines.

Educated at Eton, he read history at Trinity College, Oxford but regrets not studying classics: “All the really clever people do that and a 2:1 in classics is worth a first in PPE.”

He did not follow his father into journalism: “My father was much better at it than I was ever going to be so I thought I could only ever fail by comparison.”

Instead he chose a career in the City, working in emerging markets for Lloyd George Management, which included a stint in Hong Kong before setting up his own investment business in 2007.

His leisure time is dominated by his large family: “It’s the most important thing. I’ve got six lovely, delightful child­ren. I’m very lucky. I have a wonderful wife who looks after us all.”

They are working their way through the James Bond films: “We’re on ­Octopussy at the moment, had Live and Let Die a couple of nights ago.

“This might not be the most ­fashionable view — but then I’m not known for my fashion — but I think the late Sir Roger Moore is unquestion­ably the best James Bond.”

It seems an apt choice for Rees-Mogg. Not the action-packed aggression of ­Daniel Craig but the self-deprecating, humorous Bond — who ended up having the longest 007 career.

Tim Newark is a historian and the author of Protest Vote: How Mainstream Parties Lost the Plot (Gibson Square, £8.99)

Rees-Mogg is...

DOLGACHOV/GETTY
...AGAINST
● Gay marriage
● Raising welfare benefits
● Smoking ban in private vehicles where a child is present
● Euthanasia
● A 2016 investigation into the Iraq War

PA
...BUT FOR
● Trident, bedroom tax and academies
● Stricter asylum systems and a stronger enforcement of immigration rules
● Mass retention of data from communications and surveillance

POGS Sun 20-Aug-17 11:23:37

"Mogg wanted to sell off our ancient forests. Now he has voted to destroy 35 ancient woodlands by voting for HS2 in every vote."

Why stop at Rees-Mogg?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-and-john-mcdonnell-plan-to-whip-labour-into-backing-hs2-a6941451.html

'During the Labour leadership contest last summer, a source close to Mr Corbyn said HS2, which will cut journey times between London andBirmingham to 49 minutes, “benefited the few rather than the many”. Mr McDonnell, the shadow Chancellor, told the Department for Transport in 2013 that he was “not willing to lend his support” to the project “given the complete lack of information on the impact” on his Hayes & Harlington constituency in London. But both have since changed their minds and now back HS2, which is in line with the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party.'

Or has Labours position shifted again.?

POGS Sun 20-Aug-17 11:16:14

Whitewave 18-Aug-17 08:18:12

" I make it an absolute discipline on my post never to address people personally, it is unpleasant, unnecessary and adds zilch to the argument. If I cant find anything to say relating to the subject then it is best to say nothing.

I believe the GN rules try to encourage that?!"

Really? Just a reminder of another thread, plenty to be found.

whitewave Fri 09-Jun-17 02:15:19

POGS we've been happily chatting amongst ourselves why don't you go and chat with your right wingers.

Is that not personal , added no thing to the debate and you certainly chose not to say anything.

POGS Sun 20-Aug-17 10:59:04

Threads on Corbyn /Labour are turned into threads about May/Conservatives.

Threads on May/Conservatives are turned into threads about Corbyn/Labour.

IT HAPPENS!

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 09:54:25

Cheers Baggs, thank heaven for your sense of humour x

Baggs Sun 20-Aug-17 09:54:05

Just the pictures of Mogg and Corb and the attached caption, maiz. I didn't look at what followed.

Baggs Sun 20-Aug-17 09:52:25

Cheers, annie. Now let those with no SOH continue their tirades wink. It all adds to the fun even though they don't get the serious point.

durhamjen Sun 20-Aug-17 09:00:58

I got down as far as "I wouldn't vote for the Twat in a Hat", and thought yes, that'll do for me.
Can you imagine the Tories being any more of a laughing stock if they have to vote between Maybot and the Twat in a Hat?
The whole world will be laughing at them.

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 08:42:23

That was so funny, thanks Baggs

MaizieD Sun 20-Aug-17 08:30:49

It's a typical twitter exchange, Baggs. Which bit were we meant to particularly take note of??

Baggs Sun 20-Aug-17 08:23:34

I suspect that most of you won't appreciate this but I think it's an important political comment on our times. Seriously. It's also funny though I'm setting the scoff meter going just for the score ?
twitter.com/leaveeuofficial/status/899007729083330562

durhamjen Sat 19-Aug-17 20:54:53

“I think Big Ben ought to be kept striking as much as possible during the repairs as long as it doesn’t deafen the work force,” MP Jacob Rees-Mogg told the Daily Mail.

“It would be symbolically uplifting for it to sound out our departure from the EU as a literally ringing endorsement of democracy.”

Rees-Mogg has much more important things to worry about in his quest for the top job.

lemongrove Sat 19-Aug-17 19:13:14

Rees Mogg is trying to kill off ancient woodland, has six children, and all manner of other beastly goings on! ?
He would be amazed that so many older ladies are taking an interest in him, wonder if he knows?

durhamjen Sat 19-Aug-17 17:39:22

They say they speak The Truth, just like you, Annie.

Traingate wasn't a lie, but you do go on and on about the same things.
Which communists has he brought into the party?
You know as well as I do that nobody can belong to the communist party and the labour party at the same time.
Considering how many Corbyn supporters were denied the vote because they were supposed to support other parties, even though there was no proof, I don't think that accusation holds water.
Do you have proof of anything you say against him, or is it just prejudice?
Corbyn doesn't have time to have a vendetta against you, but anyone would think it was personal, reading your repetitive posts.

Anniebach Sat 19-Aug-17 16:57:29

Jen, I think the JW's are like voxpox supporters,

Anniebach Sat 19-Aug-17 16:55:58

The truth ? Been posting it for months whitewave but you ask ok

Corbyn betrayed Labour Party members who campaigned through the wilderness years assuring voters the communist militants had been expelled from the party , whilst we were out month after month explaining this to voters he was running a campaign from his own home to have these militants back into the party .

He invited leaders of the IRA to Westminster when many in the house were grieving for the loss of life after the IRA bombed the elected government .

He is a liar , think traingate.

He has brought communists into the party. I accept the far left support this, I do not , it didn't work in 1983 did it ?

Primrose65 Sat 19-Aug-17 16:28:36

Well, there have been several votes dj we are probably using different ones to illustrate a point. Even 54 against is fewer than 10% of MPs. JRM voted with a huge majority of MPs on this issue.

durhamjen Sat 19-Aug-17 16:10:56

Isn't that what Jehovah's Witnesses say?

whitewave Sat 19-Aug-17 16:05:59

grin what truth?

Anniebach Sat 19-Aug-17 16:00:27

Whitewave, I do not need or ask for your permission or approval , I choose to post the truth

durhamjen Sat 19-Aug-17 15:56:14

I've just counted 54 against HS2.

durhamjen Sat 19-Aug-17 15:52:11

I am looking forward to the new film by Al Gore, An Inconvenient Sequel.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/30/al-gore-interview-our-crumbling-planet-the-rich-have-subverted-all-reason-al-gore

I wonder if he would go against trump if he is still POTUS in 2020.

Primrose65 Sat 19-Aug-17 15:51:06

But only 18 Conservatives and 11 Labour MPs voted against HS2 dj. Most MPs voted for it.

whitewave Sat 19-Aug-17 15:29:31

I get so upset when I read of the species loss. It is dreadful what is happening to our planet.

Attempt to sail to the North Pole. Shows that the polar bear will soon be extinct.

durhamjen Sat 19-Aug-17 15:04:22

Mogg wanted to sell off our ancient forests. Now he has voted to destroy 35 ancient woodlands by voting for HS2 in every vote.

www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/media/100819629/9821-map-update-v4.jpg

whitewave Sat 19-Aug-17 14:56:52

I am not clear where I have posted excusing Corbyn's dishonesty?

But do carry on - there is such a thing as overkill you knowgrin