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Interview with The Mogg

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Baggs Sun 13-Aug-17 09:25:54

I thought some peeps might like to get their teeth into this article from today's Sunday Times.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, an English Trump but better at Latin

Chris Lange-KuettnerAugust 13 2017, 12:01am,
As Moggmentum surges, the historian Tim Newark grills his fogeyish back-bench Tory friend about his leadership plans over plum crumble

Jacob Rees-Mogg came round for lunch with us last week in Bath, a suitable location for this politician dubbed “MP for the 18th century”. As it was the summer recess I thought he might have loosened his top button a little but no: he arrived impeccably dressed in a double-breasted suit with a shirt and tie. Rees-Mogg says he has “never worn a pair of jeans”.

Charming and polite throughout lunch, he praised the plum crumble my wife made for him, knowing his delight in traditional British food.

Rees-Mogg is exactly as you would imagine him to be. And these days authenticity is the major currency of any politician with eyes on high office. Only recently taking to Twitter with a Latin maxim, he gets more “likes” and “shares” for his tweets than any cabinet member, including the prime minister.

Fiercely loyal to Theresa May so long as she remains Conservative Party leader, he strikes a growing number of Tory backbenchers as just too good to be left on the back benches. Here is a man with a sharp intellect who serves on the ­Treasury select committee and gave Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, a hard time about his anti-Brexit advice before the referendum.

To his fans Rees-Mogg is straight talking, has disarming humour, is good on television, unflinchingly patriotic and a successful businessman from a privileged background who nevertheless understands the concerns of ordinary men and women. Like an English version of Donald Trump but with a better grasp of Latin. Does he see any similarity?

Rees-Mogg answers carefully and says that he fully understands the message of the populist revolution in 2016 that rocked the ruling classes on both sides of the Atlantic. “The governing elite in both the US and the UK,” he said, “had come to the conclusion that the only reason that people wouldn’t do what they said is because they didn’t understand.

“You see this in the shockingly condescending views expressed by some Remoaners who think that the people that voted for Brexit were all stupid. It’s a very odd way of looking at things if you believe in democracy.”

Rees-Mogg said serving the grassroots lies at the heart of his political philosophy: “As a constituency MP I am always seeking to represent the people remote from the centres of power, rather than the interests of lobby groups.”

Asked why he cares so much about Brexit, he said it is “all about democracy. Can the British people have the government that they want?

“The problem with the European Union is we can be ­outvoted by a qualified majority vote and therefore laws can be passed that the ­British people have not only not consented to but have opposed.”

Was he upset that May laughed at the suggestion of him being in the cabinet? If he is he does not show it, rebuffing the question with good humour: “I’m a back-bench MP. I’m supporting Theresa May. My ambition is to be re-elected in North East Somerset. It would be unreal­is­tic of me to have further ambitions.”

His recent interventions suggest otherwise. Rees-Mogg put the chancellor in his place over collective cabinet responsi­bility and slapped down a proposal from James Chap­man, a former aide to David Davis and George Osborne, for a new “Democrats” anti-Brexit party.

With his experience in business and the City, is Rees-Mogg well placed to take on the role of chancellor in due course — like a Boris with financial brains? He sidestepped the question: “I don’t think it’s going to be offered.”

Certainly, some part of the Conservative grassroots is all agog with the thought of him standing as leader when the time is right. “Cometh the hour, cometh the Mogg” is a recurring line. But others — including the former Conservative MP Matthew Parris — are not so keen.

In his Times column yesterday Parris described Rees-Mogg’s views on moral, social, sexual and reproductive issues as “brute moral conservative” and warned that electing him as leader would kill off the “broad-church Conservative Party”.

Does Rees-Mogg even have the hunger for high political office? Recently celebra­ting the birth of his sixth child, naturally named Sixtus, he rejoices in his large ­family, lives in a mansion dating back to 1600 deep in the Somerset countryside and has amassed a fortune through his Somer­set Capital Management business.

Having entered the Commons only in 2010, Rees-Mogg claims repeatedly that he has already attained his highest ambition of being MP for North East Somerset.

“The local party is part of who I am and what I am,” he insists. But surely he wants to ride the Moggmentum into a cabinet post?

“I’m very interested in political ideas, developing Conservative thinking, and I’m very keen that we should have a positive message for Conservatism,” he said.

“Our last manifesto was much too defensive and much too managerial. That was why we went from having such a strong lead in the polls to having a very marginal election victory . . . The campaign did not succeed. You can have a role in that without holding great office.”

Will he never throw his hat into the ring of a future leadership election?

“I think if I threw my hat in the ring, my hat would be thrown back at me pretty quickly,” he said.

Nor will he be drawn on who should be the next party leader. “There are so many people that would be capable of doing it,” he said, “and who it ends up being, as with Mrs May getting it, is a matter of luck as anything.”

Surely he wants a Brexiteer? “By the time Mrs May finally decides to become a countess and go to the House of Lords,” he reassures me, “we’ll have long since left the European Union.”

Rees-Mogg, 48, was born in Hammersmith, west London. His father was The Times editor William Rees-Mogg. The family has long ties with Somerset thanks to owning local coalmines.

Educated at Eton, he read history at Trinity College, Oxford but regrets not studying classics: “All the really clever people do that and a 2:1 in classics is worth a first in PPE.”

He did not follow his father into journalism: “My father was much better at it than I was ever going to be so I thought I could only ever fail by comparison.”

Instead he chose a career in the City, working in emerging markets for Lloyd George Management, which included a stint in Hong Kong before setting up his own investment business in 2007.

His leisure time is dominated by his large family: “It’s the most important thing. I’ve got six lovely, delightful child­ren. I’m very lucky. I have a wonderful wife who looks after us all.”

They are working their way through the James Bond films: “We’re on ­Octopussy at the moment, had Live and Let Die a couple of nights ago.

“This might not be the most ­fashionable view — but then I’m not known for my fashion — but I think the late Sir Roger Moore is unquestion­ably the best James Bond.”

It seems an apt choice for Rees-Mogg. Not the action-packed aggression of ­Daniel Craig but the self-deprecating, humorous Bond — who ended up having the longest 007 career.

Tim Newark is a historian and the author of Protest Vote: How Mainstream Parties Lost the Plot (Gibson Square, £8.99)

Rees-Mogg is...

DOLGACHOV/GETTY
...AGAINST
● Gay marriage
● Raising welfare benefits
● Smoking ban in private vehicles where a child is present
● Euthanasia
● A 2016 investigation into the Iraq War

PA
...BUT FOR
● Trident, bedroom tax and academies
● Stricter asylum systems and a stronger enforcement of immigration rules
● Mass retention of data from communications and surveillance

Tegan2 Mon 14-Aug-17 09:33:42

'then again we could join an armed conflict because that is the real way to get change' confused...

illtellhim Mon 14-Aug-17 09:30:34

How many people know your name GracesGranMK2,

nuffsaid

illtellhim Mon 14-Aug-17 09:28:31

Persecution of the Jews got Hitler to power. We should learn from History, if it gets what you want then anything fair game.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 14-Aug-17 09:26:13

What 'position of power' is Corbyn in illtellhim? Just out of interest.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 14-Aug-17 09:24:59

So Rar if you met Hitler, found him a gracious sort of chap who made you feel good in his company, certainly knew how to attract and speak to a crowd AND you knew his politics would you still be saying he was an OK sort of person? Are you really that shallow?

illtellhim Mon 14-Aug-17 09:20:29

People will say anything to get their way, they'll do most thing to get what they want, so I don't blame Trump or Corpyn, because these are the ones who are in a position of power while we sit at our PC and moan, then again we could join an armed conflict because that is the real way to get change. Sorry about the rant, don't start drinking until 11 o-clock and then the worlds wonderful again. smile

Anniebach Mon 14-Aug-17 09:08:30

And Corbyns promises will all come true?

Eloethan Mon 14-Aug-17 09:03:41

As ever, no substantive responses - just sniggers and unsubstantiated negative judgments on character.

I agree with the comment Maizie made re Cameron. We shouldn't forget his promise to make his government the greenest ever and then a few years later telling his aides to get rid of "this green crap".

nightowl Mon 14-Aug-17 08:40:35

We like to brighten your morning rosesarered

Let's all laugh at the charming, well bred, slightly eccentric but ever the gentleman Jacob Rees-Mogg. Such a nice man, what could possibly go wrong?

Anniebach Mon 14-Aug-17 08:39:09

Corbyn hasn't style or substance

rosesarered Mon 14-Aug-17 08:13:42

Who says that Socialists have no sense of humour.....I have been laughing over the last few posts.grin
Hitler, ( ah, the first mention!) Attila The Hun!

MaizieD Mon 14-Aug-17 08:09:21

I understand that a great many people found Hitler to be quite charming in person.

Worrying thread, this. Hasn't experience of David Cameron taught us to suspect style over substance?

Eloethan Mon 14-Aug-17 01:22:09

anniebach On the Sky News channel today, the possibility of Rees-Mogg becoming prime minister was again discussed so I would think an analysis of his political stance is appropriate.

His voting record includes:

for:
bedroom tax;
reduction in welfare benefits;
increasing VAT;
selling off England's state-owned forests

against:
greater regulation of gambling;
measures to reduce climate change;
restrictions on fees charged to tenants

These are all national issues which affect everyone. MPs vote on national issues so it is important to know what their past voting record has been in order to assess what they might vote for in the future.

Corbyn isn't your MP but you seem to have plenty to say about him. It would be nice if for once, as a supposed member of the Labour Party, you spent a little time analysing Conservative policies that have impoverished many people and destroyed much of our social and public infrastructure instead of bashing Corbyn continuously.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 23:25:19

I suppose some people thought Attila the Hun was a very amusing chap and didn't worry about his politics either. I also imagine many a serial killer has been very able to make himself likeable (in the short-term) and, as long as you don't care about what they intend to do you could decide you don't need to worry.

That's OK then ... but I think I'll stick to judging by what people believe is right.

nightowl Sun 13-Aug-17 23:07:09

So you have no interest in the beliefs and policies of a potential Prime Minister Anniebach? Curiouser and curiouser.

Anniebach Sun 13-Aug-17 22:54:28

His views and policies hold no interest for me, he isn't my MP

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 22:48:30

You are right nightowl. It would be good to know which of his views/policies those who only talk about 'liking' him (as you say, as if that mattered to anyone other than a teenager) actually agree or disagree with.

nightowl Sun 13-Aug-17 22:29:11

I find it odd that people on here who purport to be from different ends of the political spectrum say they 'like' JRM, as though 'liking' him (not that any of us actually knows him as far as I'm aware) is relevant to anything at all really. The man isn't putting himself forward to be your friend, but a potential leader of a political party and therefore a potential Prime Minister. It doesn't matter one jot whether he's polite, charming, or whatever. What matters is what he believes in and how those beliefs influence his actions. I can't see anything positive for the masses (i.e. us) in what he brings to politics.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 21:26:03

What a petty little conversation.

maryeliza54 Sun 13-Aug-17 21:13:25

So it would be polite to call Emily Thornberry, Emily Thornberry?

rosesarered Sun 13-Aug-17 20:57:42

Actually it's 'The great high lentil' so I got it slightly wrong.grin

rosesarered Sun 13-Aug-17 20:56:19

Haha! Not my own little joke ( The great lentil) but something he is called by wags in Westminster.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 20:54:57

It's also polite not to call people such things as 'The great lentil' but I don't see your little cabal commenting on that.

Baggs Sun 13-Aug-17 20:52:08

It's polite.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 20:39:56

Why?