Jews and racism

You really can't see what, in your post, was offensive Lillie? May I suggest that you go and speak to a Jewish person and say to them, "Why are you constantly harping on about 6 million people being gassed and tortured during WW2? It's 70 years ago, the past is the past, why don't you move on? You're constant harping is, at best annoying and, at worst, not endearing".

And if you can't find a Jewish person who will give you the time of day, how about asking an Indian person who has family that were displaced due to Partition? You could ask them why, 70 years later, they're still "harping on" about it.
Come back and let us know how you get on.

If we forget the past we will repeat it , how does one move on with a shrug of the shoulders after the suffering the Jews endured

I am still angry over Capel Celyn and there was no one murdered .

In what way offensive? I stated I'm trying/struggling to understand the predicament from a personal viewpoint.

You're offensive Lillie.

Lillie

Good posts Rosyapple yes indeedy, you should ( and do) know more about the situation than anyone on this thread.
Good post Chewbacca ??

Sorry but this is a fantasy, so somehow we stop all British people from being racist, which country do start on after we have sorted this one out and we all live in leave in harmony.

I guess that's exactly what I mean Chewbacca. Jews take their Jewishness with them wherever they go .... be it London, Manchester etc. so maybe they should not be surprised that anti semitism follows them too. It's the same for many other groups. The Jewish stereotype becomes self-perpetuating because of the way they over react to the hostility they encounter. Of course no one is suggesting we should ever forget the atrocities of WW2, but it's now 70+ years on, the past is the past, and constant harping on might be viewed as annoying or unendearing.

Unbelievable Iam64 , although I do of course believe you!
I really don't 'get' anti-semitism at all.

Rosyapple189 I realise that you have more personal experience of Israel but I also read into your posts a complete lack of any sympathy or concern for anyone who claims Palestinian citizenship. There are abuses of power by Israel there are abuses of human rights. The fact that you refuse to recognise these and dismiss the UN as irrelevant says more about your prejudices than anything else. I don't deny that Israel may have done some acts of charity in Gaza but it is the fact that the basic freedoms we know as human rights are denied people there. I don't approve of this but it seems you do. Prejudice is never limited to one group of people and it seems you have shown this in your posts.

We do Iam64 and a breadth of formal education appears to be no indicator of stupidity it would seem.

A neighbour said to me seriously recently, that the Jews are in an international conspiracy to take over the whole Middle East. He added that it's wrong that Israel became a Jewish state after WW2 because "it is written" in the Bible, that the Jews must always wander and never have a homeland.
This is someone with a University degree. He is a Muslim. We have real problems don't we.

Lillie , many Jews have already left London and have moved to Manchester, where there is already a large Jewish community. Unfortunately, there have been several attacks against them in the streets of Manchester and at their synagogues; hence the reason that they now have guards patrolling the grounds. So your assumption that they would not be willing to move from rich and prosperous areas, to cheaper areas, is unfounded. But the threats and violence follow them.
I'm surprised that you find it "difficult to grasp why Jews are often so disgruntled and complaining, it's almost like attention seeking"; do you think that maybe having had 6 million Jews slaughtered during WW2 might have some bearing on their "disgruntlement"? Do you suppose that, seeing antisemitism rising across Europe, and in the UK, that they might be feeling nervous and wondering where they can go to next to feel safe? Of course, you may be right. Maybe they're just "attention seeking".

Durhamjen, A lot of folk have been telling them, but they continue to ignore the truth. As I said, the UN has a bloc comprising the Arab countries and the South American countries. and they vote for each other's motions. Not in accordance with the UN's original ideals, I'm afraid.

Trisher, if you don't want to accept what I say about equality in Israel and persist in referring to 'one or two positions of importance' that's up to you. However, as I have lived there for more than 19 years I might just know a little more about the situation than yourself.
Israel sends many tons of medical supplies and other essentials into Gaza every week. You don't mention Egypt which has a blockade at Rafaa crossing, I note. The reason for regulating what goes into Gaza by both countries is that some items, such as cement (which still goes in) have been used to construct tunnels into Egypt and Israel as well as weapons.
Gaza has had billions of dollars thrown at it by the world, but much has been misappropriated by its leaders. They still manage to have markets and shops bulging with goods and food, a couple of 5 star hotels and a shopping mall. They are far from starving and are known as the fattest people in the Middle East.
As for living in Gaza -are you having a laugh? Hamas has stated that even if there is peace, Jews will never be allowed to live there. While Israel has 180,000 Israeli Arabs with full citizen rights.

Why are the Jews disgruntled, I suggest one reason could be that a little over 70 years ago approximately 6 million Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. Jewish people are now naturally very cautious about their place in the world, and their safety. The survivors of this genocide then wanted a homeland, a country where something such as the holocaust could never happen again. I don't blame them.

So the UN has got it wrong, has it?
You'd better tell the UN.

You are completely right, Niggly. There never was a state called Palestine. The name refers to the Philistines who settled in the plain between the Med and current day Jordan in 12C BCE. The Philistines were not from Arabia, they were Greek.
For those who still believe in a state called Palestine - what was their government, their constitution, their laws? And as far as the UN recognition of so-called Palestine by '135 countries' - no, this was only 'de facto' - they could not recognise it as a legal entity as it isn't one. It was merely a cynical move by the UN bloc. The notion that there was a country called Palestine which existed for centuries is false.

"Hatred of Jewish people within Europe probably stemmed from them being moneylenders, from doing it in a small way to a big way, also very successful merchants."

This comment reminds me of Shylock in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice lemongrove, so yes, Jews have always been stereotyped as rich, scheming, unpleasant moneylenders, but what other choice did they have?
Similarly today there is a hatred of Jews simply because they are Jewish. It's their very Jewishness that makes them feel unsafe, but would they be prepared to leave the rich and prosperous areas of London to go and live somewhere poorer, but safer like mid Wales? I doubt it.
I don't hate Jews, but I find it difficult to grasp why Jews are often so disgruntled and complaining, it's almost like attention seeking.

I have no 'double standards' Chewbacca I abhor racism, and anti semitism, but I do not think simply condemning it will ever completely eradicate it. It is necessary to examine the sources of the ideas that are behind it, understand them and demolish them. Instead of condemning Corbyn it would help if we really looked at why people put bricks through windows and scrawl slogans because it isn't members of the Labour party who are doing this. This whole issue of how anti-semetic the Labour Party is or isn't is as nothing compared with the rise of very real racism and right wing groups in society.
I have suggested that dealing with one of the issues they use to justify their beliefs would help to reduce anti-semitism and stop recruitment to their ranks. Arguably this would do far more to help than asking perfectly reasonable people to go around condemning other perfectly reasonable people who have slightly different ideas about a subject, but stick to your ideas and continue to agonise about how anti-semetic the Labour Party might or might not be. Unfortunately this is unlikely to make a scrap of difference to the attacks you profess to care about.

Thanks Tricia F. Yes, a minute country - about the area of Belgium or Wales. Come back and see us again soon!

Frankly trisher I'm past caring what you find abhorrent. I posted my opinions, and experiences, of the antisemitism that I've witnessed and been aware of when visiting Jewish friends. I've been appalled and disgusted at the suggestion that as only 17% of Jews in Britain are unhappy, then that's not so bad. My solution to antisemitism would be for condemnation to be as vociferous and loud, from all political parties, as it is for all the other minorities. But that's not going to happen is it whilst JC is so tolerant of antisemitism?
And what you think are my "snide remarks", are in fact the remarks of a poster who is weary of seeing such energy being posted by left wing apologists who appear to have double standards for particular strata of society. And if that upsets you, so be it.

Racism will never be stamped out unless everyone on this earth has a labotomy perhaps. You cannot change human nature, there will always fear, always be freed, always be lust for power.

All we can do is not harbour these negative emotions and Christians must follow Christ's teachings

trisher - your anger about the Palestinian people comes over loud and clear. To suggest though that those who are anxious about the rise of antisemitism somehow are people who "regard one group of people as being more worthy of consideration than another group" as something you find 'absolutely abhorrent' suggests that those of us who don't share your world view are somehow lacking in either intelligence or compassion.
Your comparison with what's happening between the Israeli's and the British involvement in Ireland also seems to me to be a poor one. The British Empire was of its time. As long as I've been alive, the British Government, the Irish Republicans and the Unionist groups have been making attempts to do the least worst in their attempts to resolve a situation that was not of their making. These attempts are hampered by a small minority who can't let go of the past, who seek a perfect solution that suits their agenda. That doesn't exist. There are no easy solutions to complex problems. Hamas isn't perfect, nor is the Israeli government.

Anti semitism is as old as time. Jewish people were unable to own property so they became tailors, money lenders etc to use their skills and make a living. The money lending underpins the stereotype of wealthy Jews.

So what's your solution Chewbacca? Instead of making snide remarks without naming or explaining what you mean perhaps you could explain what would help to eradicate anti-semitism and other racism. What I see on this thread is a lot of "Holier than thou" posts that do nothing to examine the question or to suggest a way forward.
I also see people who regard one group of people as being more worthy of consideration than another group, and I find that absolutely abhorrent.