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Jews and racism

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Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 13:19:35

In the news this morning - one in three Jews are considering leaving the U.k because of racism.

83% believe the Labour Party are not doing enough to support them

Anniebach Thu 24-Aug-17 13:48:13

I never thought of tipping tables over as physical violence

Serkeen Thu 24-Aug-17 12:43:56

Racism what a horrible word.

It is just another word for hate.

We should be accepting each other and embracing and enjoying our differences and even learning from each other.

Why aren't we....Because there are good people and bad people and sometimes the bad people get to air their opinions

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 11:57:40

theconversation.com/how-the-english-far-right-co-opted-christianity-and-why-its-crusade-shouldnt-be-ignored-82842

Is this not worrying, too?

Rosyapple189 Thu 24-Aug-17 00:45:07

Got it right in the first sentence, Trisher.
Pity about the rest.

Jalima1108 Wed 23-Aug-17 17:08:32

I'm confused
Who is her please?
As in who is getting mixed up?

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 17:06:36

But I couldn't see anything about .Jews.

durhamjen Wed 23-Aug-17 16:49:11

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/church-minister-says-not-sorry-11428287

Getting her Newcastles mixed up.

nigglynellie Wed 23-Aug-17 16:30:00

annie!!!!! grin

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 16:09:55

Trisher, your knowledge leaves me in awe, you know what posters think, you know what posters do and have done , you are the forums very own clairvoyant

trisher Wed 23-Aug-17 14:49:56

One banner in hundreds Annie but I fully accept that you don't think left wing activism against racism and and anti-semitism is something you would want to hear about. Watch the video there's some right wing stuff near the end you might find really repugnant and then perhaps you can acknowledge how important these anti-fascist left wing protests are for all people of different races, religions and nationalities.

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 14:45:35

It was spelled out Trisha, the banner said immigrants

trisher Wed 23-Aug-17 14:41:59

So the UN and the WHO are both presenting biased and unfounded opinions? Well sorry but if someone is kicking me, another person notices and the kicker denies it I do hope people will listen to the observer and not the person who is doing the kicking. Although I understand that the kicker wouldn't want to admit it.
For those who can't accept that the march was against ALL racism including Islamophobia, and anti-semitism listen to Labour MP Chi Onwurah
as she condemns both. www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-unites-thousands-turn-out-8740851
(Some people have to have things spelled out for them)

nigglynellie Wed 23-Aug-17 13:01:57

Rosyapple, some of us know this perfectly well, others just won't acknowledge it! I wonder if there will be an election in Gaza anytime soon? Hammas have been in power for so long now without going to the people, they begin to look like a permanent fixture! At least no one accuse Israel of not holding elections!

Rosyapple189 Wed 23-Aug-17 12:43:19

Trisher, thank you for looking at the link. As far as the WHO is concerned, they have consistently adopted an anti Israel stand. Here are a few links to show the actual situation:http://www.timesofisrael.com/with-gaza-ailing-pa-accused-of-slashing-medical-aid-by-nearly-90/ and
mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Peace/Humanitarian/Pages/Israeli-aid-to-the-Palestinians-COGAT-update-February-2016.aspx
As you'll see, the amount of medications sent in by Israel has been cut this year because Abbas, Chairman of the PLO, which had been paying for medical supplies to Gaza, has drastically cut the amount, same for electricity (which the PLO owes Israel huge amount for anyway -the PLO has the money btw). Abbas now says it's up to Hamas to pay for these items and they must, after some 10 years in power (they won't get out), take responsibility for running Gaza and pay themselves. Hamas won't, their leaders prefer to keep vast amounts of what the world gives them. Their leaders have incredible mansions and even more incredible Swiss bank accounts, just as Arafat did.
Re your point about the numbers of Gazans treated in Israeli hospitals being inflated by counting in those accompanying patients, even if true, it's incredible that Israel takes any at all, they aren't obliged to now Gaza is independent of Israel. As Chairman Abbas would say, it's time Hamas took responsibility for his people. As said before, they have been given more than enough money to fund the needs of their society, (including building hospitals).

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 12:30:18

I thought the same niggly, what the link has to do with lack of support for Jews is a mystery , unless trisha classes all Jews in the U.K as immigrants

nigglynellie Wed 23-Aug-17 12:19:06

But not antisemitism!

trisher Wed 23-Aug-17 12:01:47

Lots of Unite, RMT, NUT, Stop the War, Durham Miners and even a red hammer and sickle on view, but not one Tory flag. So perhaps they were there, but it was the left wingers leading and organising against racism as they always have.
www.facebook.com/NewcastleUnites/photos/a.398179610295499.1073741828.397481570365303/823759487737507/?type=1&theater

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 10:56:35

It wasn't reasoned Trisha, as the heckling of the MP can be seen on the internet - seen not read about - you refer to it as an alleged happening . I have seen far right thugs being taken on by crowds, didn't see then wearing tee shirts stamped Labour Party or far left yet you state as fact these people were labour and far left supporters, you know no tories, Libs involved ?

trisher Wed 23-Aug-17 10:30:16

Where do you get your information from Annie most of it from the papers and news. If you don't see it you don't know it is happening. But I didn't expect you to even consider a reasoned argument.

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 10:15:26

Might explain the 83% are not capable of reaching a decision without help from the media ? Doubt it.

trisher Wed 23-Aug-17 10:04:52

Annie's definition of "far left" is possibly a bit farther right than most peoples .
I still say that when there are demonstrations by far right groups it is the Labour Party, the unions and far left groups who turn out to counter their hate message. Of course this never gets quite as much publicity as one Labour MP claiming anti-semitic abuse in a meeting. If you were conspiracy minded or thought the media biased, you might think this was quite deliberate, and it certainly might explain the 83%

nigglynellie Wed 23-Aug-17 10:02:24

That's as maybe Weshwife, but you name just one other politician in any party who could do any better?!

Anniebach Wed 23-Aug-17 10:01:41

Yet more diversion of thread topic

Welshwife Wed 23-Aug-17 09:55:16

I don't think you need to be far left to criticise May - middle ground would be far enough to do that!

Chewbacca Wed 23-Aug-17 09:41:47

What?