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Sovereignty and 'take back control'

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MaizieD Fri 08-Sept-17 10:28:09

In view of developments in Parliament over the past few days, such as the 'Henry VII' clause in the Repeal Bill and moves to give the government a majority in House of Commons Select committees , I am wondering just what people who voted Leave understand by the concept of 'Sovereignty' and if they are at all worried by the Government's attempts to bypass Parliamentary scrutiny of legislation and amendments to legislation?

mostlyharmless Thu 05-Oct-17 15:42:37

But who is new? Apart from dinosaur Mogg of course?
That would be a different sort of shambles.

Probably should be posting this on the "Government Watch" thread?

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 15:01:32

No surprise there! harmless

I reckon they need to have someone completely new and no one from the current lot of nearly made its. The trouble is we are in the middle of an absolute nightmare of negotiations presided over by the most incapable team of people you could ever meet.

What a shambles it all is

mostlyharmless Thu 05-Oct-17 14:46:29

Farage says it should be Rees-Mogg.

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 14:39:53

So all bets on the next leader

mostlyharmless Thu 05-Oct-17 14:37:59

The Telegraph and the Evening Standard are reporting that a delegation of 30 MPs will ask her to resign. They hope a new leader will be in place by Christmas.
Only rumours I suppose at this stage.
Apparently they need 48 Tory MPs to force a no confidence vote about the leadership.
Surely she would resign before being forced out?

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 13:50:35

gg true

I’d love to be a fly on the wall though

GracesGranMK2 Thu 05-Oct-17 13:13:35

There might be whitewave but they could not be sure they would get back into power and a vote of no confidence would trigger an election wouldn't it?

They may get to a point where that actually seems the best option but I don't think we are there yet.

mostlyharmless Thu 05-Oct-17 12:34:24

If Tory MPs voted no confidence, they know they are in for a general election that they won't win. I can't see many of them risking that.

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 12:26:29

There might be enough Tory MPs who want rid of her, especially if they have someone else in mind.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 05-Oct-17 12:22:44

I think you are right mostly. They would have to really annoy the DUP but, currently, even that is possible.

mostlyharmless Thu 05-Oct-17 11:58:46

A vote of no confidence in the Government is the only way to force an election. But would it be successful if the DUP vote with the Government?

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 10:05:02

Perhaps that is what will finish May off -a vote of no confidence?

GracesGranMK2 Thu 05-Oct-17 10:01:52

From Jen's link:

A top official at the Bank of England has warned the government it has less than 12 weeks to agree a transition deal with the EU to prevent City firms starting to move jobs and business out of the UK.

The drift is what will kill our economy. This government never had a big enough majority on Brexit to take this forward in the way they are doing but for some reason felt they had to listen to the dictatorship of the majority instead of trying to take everyone with them.

They just wanted to look big and brave but could end up taking us all to hell in a handcart.

JessM Thu 05-Oct-17 09:44:11

Seems that May's strategy of putting the "3 brexiteers" at the helm is not really working...
DH was reading an article in FT earlier that was entirely gloomy about how WTO arrangements - or rather lack of them - would work post brexit.
It really is looking like this task is beyond them and that a vote of no confidence is needed sooner rather than later. Along with someone actually doing that emperors's got no clothes on thing - there is no prosperous future in sight if we do this - just chaos and economic ruin.

durhamjen Wed 04-Oct-17 23:30:05

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/eu-transition-deal-is-needed-quickly-to-stop-city-firms-leaving-uk-says-bank-official

Oh dear. I wonder who is going to shut him up.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 04-Oct-17 10:11:22

And you would have to ask what they actually do for your average worker.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 19:52:38

Robert Halfon has suggested that they change their name to the Conservative Workers Party.
He obviously doesn't know a lot about history, either.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 19:17:12

What really annoys me is that they stand behind a sign that says building a country that works for everyone.
They must actually believe it.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 19:02:26

As is the clapping from their acolytes.
It was said that Hammond never even got off the stage before the applause stopped.

JessM Tue 03-Oct-17 18:35:58

The relentless good cheer from Johnson et al is getting very tedious and sounding increasingly forced.

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 08:42:52

Boris told Nicholas Watt on Newsnight that every member of the cabinet is totally 100% behind May.
Is that until his speech today?

Tegan2 Tue 03-Oct-17 01:20:23

So Davis is going to do a runner, also....talk about rats leaving.....

GracesGranMK2 Mon 02-Oct-17 23:09:58

grr. there not their

GracesGranMK2 Mon 02-Oct-17 23:09:22

Having watched the whole of spreadsheet Phil's (someone should tell him their not working) speech I felt I deserved a medal. That John Crace could not only sit through it but raise some laughs from it means he should get a peerage.

durhamjen Mon 02-Oct-17 22:51:22

David Davis is going to leave parliament in 2019.