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Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

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kittylester Sun 17-Sept-17 18:18:55

A quote from an article by Nick Cohen in Saturday's (I think) Guardian

My phone isn't letting me do links - sorry! But try googling it if you are interested.

Eloethan Sun 24-Sept-17 20:08:26

Who exactly is "jumping on the I Love Jezza bandwagon"? Speaking for myself, and no doubt some other posters on here, I don't "love" Corbyn, I don't think he's infallible, I don't agree with him on every issue. BUT - on balance I think he has tried to represent the views of many Labour supporters and encourage those who had lost faith in the party to return to it. Trying to characterise support for Corbyn as some sort of delusional and juvenile hero worship is insulting. I feel quite sure that if someone else had come along with the same independence of thought and similar policies, many people would have been quite happy to support him or her also.

Referring to people as "Corbynites" who, as someone recently said, "worship at the feet of Corbyn" (also frequently referred to as "our Beloved Leader") is not humorous and not intended to be so.

MaizieD Sun 24-Sept-17 19:41:29

It's a card vote, isn't it dj? Based on the number of members a delegate represents? And mandated by the CLP?

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 19:41:17

Brexit needs to be debated next year at conference, when people know what they are debating.
MPs will be voting on it in October 2018.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 24-Sept-17 19:40:36

All voted for on the list are my pet topics, too.

I must admit that is how I felt too.

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 19:31:15

Would anyone care to decide what should be taken off the list to allow for a debate on Brexit?

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 19:29:49

All voted for on the list are my pet topics, too.
They are pet topics of most of the labour delegates, too. Otherwise they wouldn't be up for discussion, would they?

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 19:27:53

Have a look at GracesGran's list.
They were voted for by conference and by delegates who were sent by their CLPs.
They cannot be angry with Corbyn for it. They voted for the topics themselves.

Corbyn said today that what was voted for last year still stands. They can't vote for the same topics every year.

MaizieD Sun 24-Sept-17 19:17:10

Question asked on twitter:

"Does this mean the previous year's resolution, potentially backing a second referendum, stands?"

Anniebach Sun 24-Sept-17 19:04:04

All for debate are Corbyns and McCluskies pet topics

lemongrove Sun 24-Sept-17 18:59:16

Apparently it was Momentum who influenced Corbyn not to have a vote at Conference, you know, the Momentum that nobody knows anything about.

lemongrove Sun 24-Sept-17 18:57:31

Maryeliza what on earth do you mean by saying 'No wonder you're still in a strop' has it escaped your noticed that Corbyn lost the election? In spite of his offering bags of goodies all round, and in spite of May's dreadful campaign.
Also, what do you mean by 'we' everybody on the forum who didn't vote for him, you don't mind alienating a lot of Gransnetters then.
Humourless left wingers abound on here.

lemongrove Sun 24-Sept-17 18:52:12

Not important?
Leaving it to the front bench?
Have just seen the news, loads of Labour MP's and loads of
EU labour supporters out in force and angry with Corbyn about not having a vote on Brexit at Conference!

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 18:49:04

Lots of cheering for the NHS vote.

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 18:48:04

Brexit not seen as very important, then.
What it means is that they don't feel the need to debate it; they trust the front benchers.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 24-Sept-17 18:23:45

The ballot for the contemporary issues priority ballot was:

Four subjects from each of the CLP section and the Trade Unions and Other Affiliates organisations section will be debated unless a subject area is selected in both sections when the subject area with the next highest ranking votes is added to the list to ensure eight resolutions are selected - four by each section.

In the CLP section the votes were:
Access and Education - 15,879
Learn Direct - 2,385
Growth and investment 6,807
Public sector pay - 12,333
Workers rights -13,486
NHS - 187,723
Social Care - 145,613
Grenfell Tower - 34,564
Housing - 187,716
Rail - 120,496
Brexit - 72,660
North Korea - 1,234
Ban Conversion Therapy - 4,080

Trades Unions and other affiliates organisations section:
Access to Education - 834
Learn Direct - 418
Growth and investment 1,964,438
Public sector pay - 1,983,385
Workers rights -1,965,824
NHS - 157,782
Social Care - 121,328
Grenfell Tower - 2,900,374
Housing - 159,273
Rail - 2,485
Brexit - 160,859
North Korea - 15,000
Ban Conversion Therapy - 15,000

Therefore the eight topics timetabled for debate are:
Grenfell Tower
Public sector pay
Workers rights
Growth and investment
NHS
Housing
Social Care
Rail

Anniebach Sun 24-Sept-17 17:49:10

Policies debated openly in the Labour Party? No longer,

maryeliza54 Sun 24-Sept-17 17:37:36

Oh and I forgot, weakened the government at the very time it needed to be strong

maryeliza54 Sun 24-Sept-17 17:36:14

Some people haven't got over the fact that Labour under JC was not completely trounced in the last election - you knew the one that was a total waste of tax payers money and in addition to that £140m cost a further £1.5bn in bribes. No wonder you're all still in a strop

trisher Sun 24-Sept-17 17:25:49

I'd far rather support a party where policies are debated openly and opinions respected, than one where they say everyone is united but some members give speeches and release comments that prove they are not
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4914296/Boris-Johnson-draws-red-line-Brussels-regulations.html

GracesGranMK2 Sun 24-Sept-17 17:21:47

Where, oh where are some posters sense of humour gone?Or even sense of allowing others a different view?

A phycologist once told me that accusing someone of not having a sense of humor was the sign of the bully. You see it in the playground and with men who beat their wives - the attempt to turn reason on its head.

As for not allowing you to have a point of view, I got the impression that Petra was doing that by telling others how they see Jeremy Corbyn. It's not what we have said - I certainly don't see him like that; she is forcing her picture or our views on the debate. So how about Petra and you allowing others to hold and discuss their point of view without the childish jibes?

petra Sun 24-Sept-17 17:19:19

I'm sure we've all seen the North Koreans sing to their beloved leader: creepy, odd, and embarrassing.

lemongrove Sun 24-Sept-17 17:08:55

?

maryeliza54 Sun 24-Sept-17 17:01:25

I have a sense of humour - it's just that I don't find many of theses comments humorous - bit pathetic and childish actually and very very unoriginal and hackneyed

durhamjen Sun 24-Sept-17 16:58:50

Iain McNicholl has just said that the Labour party has 570000 members, the largest number of any party in Europe.
Oh and they were singing Corbyn in the hall.

lemongrove Sun 24-Sept-17 16:54:15

Of course the LP is not just one man ( yet!) although I think that Momentum are working on it.