Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

Haven't seen a single positive response from a journalist, have you, trisher?
They are all saying good to have another two years but to do what? No ideas whatsoever.

Has it Day 6? It has been received as a step forward but with reservations.
*Grӓssle welcomed May’s words for the 3.5 million EU citizens in the UK, in which the British prime minister said: “We want you to stay.”

But the MEP voiced irritation with May’s call for “a creative solution” to the UK’s future trading relationship with bloc. “She put forward a lot of contradictory positions ... as if it is a matter of creativity. It is not a matter of creativity, it is a matter of logic and respect of basic EU law.”

The harsh response from MEPs will complicate life for the British government, as the European parliament has the power to veto a Brexit deal.*

Not quite the warm reception you say.

Theresa May's Florence speech has been warmly received by most journalists/publications and EU dignitaries.

The ardent pro-Remain publications will of course pick fault. It's to be expected, but most leading political commentators (of all persuasions) have been receptive and positive.

Does anyone know who was actually at May's speech, given that nobody from the EU turned up?
No MEPs, so I understand.
If it was just journalists, then I am afraid we have to take notice of the ordinary man in the street, as they are the only ones to think that the UK in the EU matters.

Diversion

No,we don't.

And, given that UKIP were instrumental in bringing about the referendum with only one (?) MP and a leader who was never an MP don't we have to pay attention to everyone, no matter how obscure they may be?

dj May doesn't know what she wants in all honesty - The Irish question is I think the biggest stumbling block as it's not just about trade, but also about peace and people's lives.

Trying to lump it with everything else as Davis keeps arguing for is the most stupid thing ever and something the DUP ought to be making clear that it isn't an option.

That's exactly what France and Germany say, whitewave. No clearer what the UK wants - or should I say what May wants - after all that build up.

Oh I see lemon so you don't think a minority government is forced to listen to its bolshy back benchers?

I mean, that constantly saying 'Rees Mogg is angry' (well he would be, wouldn't he?) Or Robert Peston says 'it looks like we won't get a deal' or Ken Clarke says this, that and the other, is all so much hot air.What matters is what the big players involved in the negotiations say, and even that changes all the time, particularly from the EU.
There are two more years to go, and then possibly another
two transition years.It's going to take time, and always was
going to, the EU moves in a snail like way.There will be much bargaining done by both sides in the next two years,
And we will all be worn out if we give credence to every mortal thing that is said, written and talked about by every tom dick or harry.

Well I suppose so, but I'm not at all convinced it is what they wanted to hear. That is why Mogg and cohorts are so peeved.

The trouble is that this government is simply not up to it and so the frustration felt by Brussels and Remainers in the fact that nothing really positive or clarity about what we want post Brexit.

We know what the loons want, but one hopes that May etc have more intelligence than to place our country in such an impossible situation.

Wasn't the reason May gave that 'big' speech yesterday to appease her backstabbers, or backbenchers if you prefer, whitewave?
Doesn't that mean they really are important?

Not sure what you mean lemon

That's what Germany says, whitewave; just get on with it if you are going to jump anyway, and hurry up about it, so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

It would be more insightful and have more impact if the politicians and presenters we listened to on Brexit or anything else, actually had a major say in the matter, not those on the edge of things.

Exactly, Tegan.
Strange to say that backbenchers don't count. They are the ones who put May where she is, and could just as easily remove her.

With the Labout party, it's all members who vote for the leader.
With the Tories, it's their MPs.
Strange that people don't realise that.

There will undoubtedly be plans afoot by the loons - this is not what they planned. May and the moderates will need to gird their loins to fight off any rearguard action.

This is where there will be a severe danger of a cliff edge and why presumably the civil servants are making sure their backs are covered should a "Chilcott" type enquiry come about should it all fall apart and we spiral into a disaster.

It takes some believing that some - a minority (although you wouldn't think so with all the noise they make) are prepared to bring disaster to our shores simply to bring about a break with the EU.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/brexit-cannot-continue-three-main-points-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-florence-speech-a7962426.html

Macron says May still has not clarified the three main points, so there will be no moving forward until she does.

Not done her homework properly.

If we don't listen to or care about what other people say/believe/surmise, then what's the point of any of us being on here discussing things?

Why should anyone care if RM is 'spitting tacks'? He is a back bencher.
Mrs May's speech in Florence can't have pleased everybody, but was a good start, in my view.
So what RM thinks, or Robert Peston thinks, or the local taxi driver, hardly matters.

Not just Rees-Mogg, whitewave, or Rees-Moog, as he was called in this article.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-florence-speech-theresa-may-jacob-rees-mogg-conservative-tory-mps-eu-italy-a7962701.html

Are they voting for Corbyn?

I've just posted on the other thread, but I think it ought to go on here.

Mogg is spitting tacks - I reckon the loons are spiking their guns and she will be gone if they get their way.

Who to replace?

Andy Burnham not allowed to speak at conference also some of the shadow cabinet not allowed . Some MP's from centre left not going to conference , seems we will only hear from the far left , if we can be bothered to listen to them.