Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

How do you know we didn't?

POGS
none of you returned to Labour for Gorden Brown or Milliband
I would call that: game set & match. Perfect

Durhamjen

' Some people returned to the party because Blair had left.'

Maybe they did but what's your point in mentioning that in context to the posts on this thread ?.

You ' returned ' to Labour when Corbyn became Leader as did other posters who have declared / stated the same.

None of you ' returned ' to Labour for Gordon Brown or Miliband .

this is what puzzles me, how can anyone not be far left when it is so obvious their support of Corbyn is so strong so without one criticism .

I am accused of not caring for the party, it is because I care so deeply that it distresses me to see it being destroyed . It has never been a perfect party, I have not agreed 100% with every leader, but how come the MP's who support Corbyn are all newbies and the MP's who have served the party well for years do not support him.

I think momentum was set up to destroy the Labour Party yet I know more of their plotting than the Corbyn supporters, if they are party members they receive emails too yet claim they know nothing of it

DJ - I find it very strange that someone with a lifetime of activism has given up hope already even though Corbyn has only been leader for two years.

I don't find it strange at all. The Labour Party is now influenced by the hard left and has Marxist/Militant tendencies. There are lists of moderate Labour MPs that Momentum want to deselect. The hard left intends to seize control of the party.

It's worrying and for traditional, staunch Labour supporters the party has gone full circle in nature - from the awful Blair to the frightening Corbyn.

My friend, who will no longer vote Labour, calls Corbyn and McDonnell the Marx Brothers. She feels completely disenfranchised.

God only knows, POGS ?

Some people returned to the party because Blair had left.

I am confused by the posters who have stated repeatedly on various threads they ' returned ' to Labour because of Corbyn but say they are not what is termed as being a ' Corbynista '. They will not hear of a bad word said against him nor allow others to have so much as an opposite opinion of him if it is not what they want to hear.

Would they have ' returned ' to Labour had say Liz Kendall won the leadership ?

Would they remain members of the Labour Party if Corbyn were not the leader but say Chuka Umuna? Probably not.

Why because their rhetoric has been they returned to Labour because they saw in Corbyn the ' return of the left ' of the Party and they felt engaged with Labour again.

Anniebach , as has been said so many times now, has always stated she was a Labour supporter but but oddly it is usually the ' return ' to Labour posters who least understand why she would prefer a different Leader.

I am also confused by posters who repeatedly say claim they 'no nothing of Momentum' yet have posted about Momentum on other threads . Why do that?

Same with my OH. He's been a labour member and union activist ( printing) all his working life.
But every time our local branch write to him for support in this or that he makes his dislike of Corbyn very clear.
It's not quiet on the level of his hatred for thatcher but not far off.

That will be me too Primrose.

dj it's quite possible to not support the Tory government and dislike Corbyn!

Same as Tory government and Brexit, primrose.
Quite hopeless, they are. I am surprised you still support them.

Well, I suppose that's the 'Corbyn effect' dj
Hopelessness

Corbyn's successor has not been chosen, so what are you agreeing with, lemon?

Do you not think it important that all members get a chance to vote for his successor?
Of course, you are not bothered because you are not a member. All you want to do is cause disagreement between factions of the Labour party. It cheers you up, doesn't it?

I find it very strange that someone with a lifetime of activism has given up hope already even though Corbyn has only been leader for two years.

I know Anniebach depressing isn't it?

He probably thinks it's 1915 anyway and when we leave the EU the British Empire will be restored to us.

I get the feeling he is enjoying his moment of fame and wouldn't worry about that whitewave.

Anyone seen the Mogg tweet saying how pleased he is about the latest car manufacturing results. Did anyone tell him that they are for 2015? Before the referendum.

Lemongrove, if Corbyn was to stand down tomorrow his successor has already been chosen.

Today's Labour List email informs members - whatever your view, it seems clear that Labour's left strengthened yesterday

The McDonald amendment will reduce the number of labour MP's needed to nominate a new leader , massively increasing the prospect of a left wing successor .

So it's all cut and dried, the hard left are now in control of the party.

They'll be advising him on what to say and when to say it, don't worry. Give him a couple of months and he'll be almost as user friendly as "Call me Dave".

Every time JRM opens his mouth he puts his foot in it ?

I'll be surprised if May manages another 2 years. The powers that be (who chose her in the first place) are already scratching round for another stooge they can put up to make their unacceptable policies seem like proper management. They had Jacob Rees Mogg in mind but he put his foot in it with food banks, still if he keeps quiet they might reinstate him. Just needs the right character to sell, policies which target the poorest and weakest, and the sale of the NHS.

Or not lemongrove - there is no guarantee.

I agree no obvious successor for either. Really good leaders should have a strong group around them who are potential leaders but both current leaders are presiding over disloyalty and disunity and that helps no one

maryeliza54 No obvious successor at the moment for the Leadership of either Party, but cometh the hour, cometh the man so it may be a waiting game.