Gransnet forums

News & politics

Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

(705 Posts)
kittylester Sun 17-Sept-17 18:18:55

A quote from an article by Nick Cohen in Saturday's (I think) Guardian

My phone isn't letting me do links - sorry! But try googling it if you are interested.

trisher Mon 18-Sept-17 10:50:32

Actually the article itself is quite interesting once you get past the absolute hatred of Corbyn and find the real question that is debatable, which is why are so many middle class older people moving back to Labour? Having dissed us for not being working class-arguably the working class as such has virtually disappeared-he then makes some valuable points that the people who expected to have some sort of stability in their lives, educated, owning their own house, wanting the same for their children and grandchildren now find themselves supporting children heavily in debt, unable to afford housing and GCs looking forward to the same. The response being to vote Labour. I think it's much more complicated than that. I think there is a generation raised in a welfare state who have watched it steadily eradicated and desperately are looking for someone to save it, because they know the benefits it conferred on them. In other words a spirt of altruism which has always been there is beginning to rise again. Thank goodness
As for being like buying a Harley No way. It's more like clubbing together to buy an ambulance and driving to the rescue.

grannysue05 Mon 18-Sept-17 10:48:00

I suspect this thread was started as a humourous one, and not intended to start a fierce political debate.
We all vote for what we believe in but sadly, these days, there is nobody out there with the ability to 'steady the ship' .
This system of (really) only two parties is dated. I wish there was another way.

Maggiemaybe Mon 18-Sept-17 10:09:53

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/07/imf-austerity-doesnt-work-immigrants-working-class

Maggiemaybe Mon 18-Sept-17 10:08:31

Really? When even The IMF has said that austerity policies are unnecessary and don't work? Which experts have supported it?

kittylester Mon 18-Sept-17 10:03:24

Quite - your last 2 posts - lemongrove!

Maggiemaybe Mon 18-Sept-17 09:57:19

So we should only care about something that affects us personally, and vote accordingly? confused Is this really what we've come to?

lemongrove Mon 18-Sept-17 09:15:44

durhamjen you could as easily say that Labour are trying to steal the youth vote, promising no tuition fees at all, which is not feasible and would never happen anyway.
But the truth is that nobody is 'stealing' anything, but trying to influence the younger voter.

lemongrove Mon 18-Sept-17 09:12:17

paddyann since you are Scottish and live in Scotland and are a fervent SNP supporter and would like to break away from the rest of the UK, you are not actually affected much by austerity, the students there don't pay any tuition fees, you don't pay for prescriptions and houses are cheap compared to other places.
There will hardly be another 20 years of Conservative rule anyway, but austerity measures are certainly not unnecessary, given the deficit.

f77ms Mon 18-Sept-17 08:30:16

Paddyann , spot on xx

Anniebach Mon 18-Sept-17 08:28:44

Tories steal votes, momentum win votes ?

Anniebach Mon 18-Sept-17 08:27:05

The momentum party still pretending to be the Labour Party.

durhamjen Mon 18-Sept-17 07:48:54

The OP is emotive, surely.

kittylester Mon 18-Sept-17 07:37:07

'steal' is a very emotive word, dj. Surely no one owns the voters and all parties want to appeal to all sections of society. confused

paddyann Sun 17-Sept-17 23:14:38

so lets all vote for another 20 years of unecessary austerity..its not needed its an ideological thing ...but hey all you right wingers cant bear to hear the truth ...the Tory government is bankrupting the country ,so well done for voting them back in

devongirl Sun 17-Sept-17 22:53:51

dj, cherry - this is just another Corbyn-bashing thread, just ignore.

durhamjen Sun 17-Sept-17 22:46:00

If that's the case, why are the Tories trying to steal the youth vote from Labour?

lemongrove Sun 17-Sept-17 22:19:10

Funnily enough Kitty I know somebody the same age as me who did just that a couple of years ago, blew all the cash on a Harley and got tattoos! His family could really have used the money spent as well.angry
It would take more than a midlife crisis to make me vote for Corbyn though.

Cherrytree59 Sun 17-Sept-17 21:37:39

petra you must know different riders to me
The ones I know ride

The Santa run taking presents to disadvantaged children.

Arrange events and collect for Air ambulance.

Do a charity ride every Armistice Sunday to the National Arboretum

Annual ride for an animal charity collecting money and pet food from bystanders on route.

The list goes on......

I know because we often ride along side them on our British Triumph!

Stereotyping or what!!angry

POGS Sun 17-Sept-17 20:45:29

Interesting read Kitty.

Chewbacca Sun 17-Sept-17 19:32:16

Sounds like an accurate description of Corbie, sans ponytail petra! I reckon he'd have one if he had enough hair though

petra Sun 17-Sept-17 19:15:29

Every person I've known who rides a Harley is a grey haired saddow with a pony tail.
Very surprised that it was in the socialist bible.

kittylester Sun 17-Sept-17 19:08:30

Thanks Annie.

nightowl Sun 17-Sept-17 18:52:38

It doesn't surprise me - Nick Cohen makes no secret of the fact he detests Jeremy Corbyn. I heard Nick Cohen speak at a literature festival last year (or possibly the year before - time flies). He seemed full of bitterness, bile and hatred and I left feeling quite depressed. He had nothing useful or interesting to say. I then went to hear another talk about suicide and the young man speaking was so engaging, warm, positive and life affirming that he left me full of hope. A very strange experience.

Anniebach Sun 17-Sept-17 18:49:30

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/16/jeremy-corbyn-driven-by-left-behind-middle-class

kittylester Sun 17-Sept-17 18:42:36

But mostly bought in Britain by people having a midlife crisis trying to relive their youth!