Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

... I know politics makes us all feel passionate but insulting others in such a personal way doesn't add to the debate imo.

It doesn't Iam, but that actually includes gillybob's and AB's comments. People tend to get a reply on the level of their comment.

I think the whole apprenticeship scheme needs a giant shake up. Too many (so called) training providers coining the money in at the expense of tax payers and employers.

I have heard some good things about degree apprenticeship schemes although they are only aimed at big businesses.

Good luck to your grandson whitewave. One of mine found an apprenticeship after twelve months searching. His came via a friend of a friend, as is so often the case. I've just read that for 16 apprenticeships locally, there were 500 applicants. It isn't easy for that generation is it.

Either - he is open to both. DD wants him to go down the apprenticeship route as she -well both my children are extremely work orientated, but I think DGC is secretly hoping to make the grade to university like so many of his generation.

The apprenticeship leads to a degree as well. We shall see.

A very good and forward thinking career for your DGS whitewave . Can I be so cheeky to ask is he hoping to go down the university or apprenticeship route ?

Well if there is no danger of being displaced all well and good but of unemployment is the result then I would expect the government to address the problem, not by stopping the roboting march -my grandson is hoping to become a robotic engineer - but by ensuring that other areas are expanded to employ these displaced folk. It is sensible and humane to potential poverty and a drag on the economy.

gilly that's to

Oh silly me I thought he was invited to speak

Are there really many people "displaced by robots" whitewave? or have their job roles just changed to take into account the improvement in health and safety and technology?

I am very familiar with robots and automation and have been for many years. I can honestly (hand on heart) say that I have never, ever known anyone to lose their job directly because of the introduction of automation.

I bet the men programming the robots to carry out the most dangerous of jobs and work practises are very grateful for the fact that they are not in that booth doing the work themselves.

Yes whitewave I agree about the cleanliness , you could eat your dinner off the floor in most car plants (not all mind you as I have seen a grotty one) and I am amazed at the efficiency.

Corbyn is embarrassed by the adulation he is receiving and claims he has not encourage it . Really .Jeremy, what was the Glastonbury stage prancing for ?

Yes gilly the cleanliness gets me

gilly of course robots are and will continue their expansion in the workplace, but it is right and necessary for governments to question where those displaced by robots will find a living. To not do so is abrogating their duty as government

It's amazing isn't it ww and almost impossible to imagine without the use of robots.

Iam is a respected poster . Dj claiming she can insult any poster who dares to say anything against the party she has been a loyal member of for three long, long years sums up the antics of momentum,

As a party member of over fifty years - without ever abandoning the party - I ask that non Corbyn fanatics understand the attitude of Dj is not the attitude of loyal Labour Party members , our own labour MP's - not Corbyn supporters - have received vile threats .

It's the way of the Corbyn-Momentum party, ' criticise us and we will make personal attacks and threats '

Yes gilly

Have any of you (who oppose robots/automation) ever set foot in a car factory? I am actually laughing to myself imagining Nissan without any robots or automation.

It's fine Iam64 whilst I am often too soft "to clag holes up" (as my late granddad would say), I am quite thick skinned about "my" politics and can see the good and indeed the bad of all political parties. It's just a pity some people can't.

Firstly I should point out that an industrial robot is not a human looky-likey (for those who envisage a little android creature with eyes and a mouth) and they are mostly used to do the jobs that are deemed NOT SAFE for a human to do. Those jobs that (back in the days of milk and honey) men did at massive cost to their health and wellbeing. Things like industrial welding using dangerous flames and fumes, spray painting again using dangerous chemicals, lifting, pushing, shoving, pressing and repetitive tasks, bomb detection, underwater exploration, disaster response etc.

Am I right in saying that there are people who would prefer that men and women still did these jobs?

Also a robot or an automation process does not build or program itself (they are not born from little robot eggs fully capable of spray paining or whatever).

And yes, we will all live to enjoy another day.?

Is the new ethos of shutting down all discussion that it doesn't like, which is coming from Momentum and the top of the LP, now invading GN Labour voters?
Iam64 is quite right to differentiate between criticism of politics and criticism of a poster.

I agree that AI is going to affect the workforce. I'm concerned about the lack of permanent jobs here in the north west, so many on short term or zero hours, increasing numbers "self employed". Alongside that, the benefit changes leave people extremely vulnerable.

My politics are very different that those of gillybob and I usually/often disagree with her views on political or social issues. I made a comment that some object to - I'm sure we'll all live to enjoy another day

You are not the Labour Party or mrs Corbyn no 4 , Jen

Of course it's ok durham you know that very well. The s word will come out shortly - I'm going back to the TV threads

mary am inclined to agree with your point, especially looking at the danger to jobs.

Should we ban computers, go back to ledgers and pens? letters not emails would mean massive increase in number of jobs for postmen.

Accusing Gilly of insulting others on a thread where so many are insulted by Corbyn devotees ?

Hyperbolic