Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

Good article in the New Statesman by David Attenborough.

"Voting for Brexit is like spitting into each other's faces"

Guaranteed to lift the level of discussion as usual

Don't beat yourself up so much AB

I believe our crackpot foreign secretary had two speeches written at one time - one in favour of remain and one in favour of leave. He went with the one most likely(he thought) to give him the leadership if it won. He was wrong.

If there was another vote (which there hasn't been) and if there was a Remain victory I could see the point of your comment Smileless2012 as there hasn't been and isn't likely to be, the only reply I can give is "If ifs and ands" as my mum always says.

smileless yes surely that should be possible; not clear what the point are you agreeing with trisher?

but it's been posted several times on the political threads that a democracy isn't a democracy unless it's prepared to change it's mind, so which is it?

petra just because you criticise something and think it is badly run it doesn't mean you want to leave the organisation (as Annie has often explained) just that you want to see it reorganised. Owen Jones had very good reasons for voting Remain, but accepted the vote. It isn't changing your mind simply believing in democracy.

New!!! Certainly not news unless it's fake

As a passing remark. I see that UKIP is if possible going even further to the right and copying the AFD in that it is beginning to form itself as an anti-Muslim party.

Farage and Banks are considering forming a news party. Wonder what that will represent?

Guaranteed to lift the level of discussion as usual

Owen Jones changes his views on Corbyn as the fancy takes him.

A bit like some posters. Perhaps it's a normal reaction to believing you have more information or does that only apply to you AB?

Paul Mason tweeted " I really advise my colleagues in the politicle press corps to listen to the conference. It's a breath of fresh air and reminds me of the 1980s
JK Rowling replied " Which aspect of 1980 in particular, I wonder? Space invaders, stone washed denim, Ashes to Ashes, or * the 17 years of Tory rule that followed*

Having a reasoned debate about Brexit is impossible. That’s not because of the large majority of people in Britain, irrespective of how they voted. It’s because of a vocal but unrepresentative minority of Remainers and Leavers who are intolerant of political disagreement and believe that dissenters (even those who voted the same way as them) are threats to Britain, either by destroying the economy or surrendering sovereignty.

So is he telling the truth now, or was he telling the truth in his Guardian article (July 2015) where he was scathing in his view of the eu.

I agree with him about it being about immigration and xenophobia.

He was a Remainer but accepted the EU vote-here's why
medium.com/@OwenJones84/why-im-a-remainer-who-accepts-the-eu-referendum-result-d198dbc99c2

No he didn't. He campaigned for remain.

Owen Jones changes his views on Corbyn as the fancy takes him.

When did Owen Jones change his mind on Europe.
Only two years ago he was positioning himself as a 'Lexiter'
Meaning, someone on the left who wants to leave Europe.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/25/corbynomics-lives-pfi-being-bought-out-was-one-of-its-themes/

CBI says that nationalisation plans will send investors running for the hills.
Good.

labourlist.org/2017/08/owen-jones-inspired-by-corbyns-politics-join-a-trade-union/

Tbh paddyann am not sure how much both men know about England never mind Scotland, as both are so London centric.

did the Scottish MP correct Sadiq Khan who said only LONDON voted remain......EVERY region in Scotland voted remain with 62% of the overall vote.He and Corbyn should get together and see how much more misinformation on Scotland they can peddle

They all seem to work incredibly hard

He's been doing a lot of work out in the country where seats look like ones that could be taken - Owen Jones that is.