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Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

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kittylester Sun 17-Sept-17 18:18:55

A quote from an article by Nick Cohen in Saturday's (I think) Guardian

My phone isn't letting me do links - sorry! But try googling it if you are interested.

whitewave Tue 26-Sept-17 13:08:27

Good article in the New Statesman by David Attenborough.

"Voting for Brexit is like spitting into each other's faces"

GracesGranMK2 Tue 26-Sept-17 12:50:57

Guaranteed to lift the level of discussion as usual

Don't beat yourself up so much AB hmm

whitewave Tue 26-Sept-17 12:07:30

I believe our crackpot foreign secretary had two speeches written at one time - one in favour of remain and one in favour of leave. He went with the one most likely(he thought) to give him the leadership if it won. He was wrong.

trisher Tue 26-Sept-17 11:24:33

If there was another vote (which there hasn't been) and if there was a Remain victory I could see the point of your comment Smileless2012 as there hasn't been and isn't likely to be, the only reply I can give is "If ifs and ands" as my mum always says.

devongirl Tue 26-Sept-17 11:16:22

smileless yes surely that should be possible; not clear what the point are you agreeing with trisher?

Smileless2012 Tue 26-Sept-17 11:09:00

confusedbut it's been posted several times on the political threads that a democracy isn't a democracy unless it's prepared to change it's mind, so which is it?

trisher Tue 26-Sept-17 10:53:13

petra just because you criticise something and think it is badly run it doesn't mean you want to leave the organisation (as Annie has often explained) just that you want to see it reorganised. Owen Jones had very good reasons for voting Remain, but accepted the vote. It isn't changing your mind simply believing in democracy.

whitewave Tue 26-Sept-17 09:23:47

New!!! Certainly not news unless it's fake grin

whitewave Tue 26-Sept-17 09:23:02

As a passing remark. I see that UKIP is if possible going even further to the right and copying the AFD in that it is beginning to form itself as an anti-Muslim party.

Farage and Banks are considering forming a news party. Wonder what that will represent?

Anniebach Tue 26-Sept-17 09:17:04

Guaranteed to lift the level of discussion as usual

GracesGranMK2 Tue 26-Sept-17 09:07:10

Owen Jones changes his views on Corbyn as the fancy takes him.

A bit like some posters. Perhaps it's a normal reaction to believing you have more information or does that only apply to you AB?

petra Tue 26-Sept-17 09:01:44

Paul Mason tweeted " I really advise my colleagues in the politicle press corps to listen to the conference. It's a breath of fresh air and reminds me of the 1980s
JK Rowling replied " Which aspect of 1980 in particular, I wonder? Space invaders, stone washed denim, Ashes to Ashes, or * the 17 years of Tory rule that followed*

durhamjen Mon 25-Sept-17 22:28:36

Having a reasoned debate about Brexit is impossible. That’s not because of the large majority of people in Britain, irrespective of how they voted. It’s because of a vocal but unrepresentative minority of Remainers and Leavers who are intolerant of political disagreement and believe that dissenters (even those who voted the same way as them) are threats to Britain, either by destroying the economy or surrendering sovereignty.

petra Mon 25-Sept-17 22:11:21

So is he telling the truth now, or was he telling the truth in his Guardian article (July 2015) where he was scathing in his view of the eu.

durhamjen Mon 25-Sept-17 22:06:44

I agree with him about it being about immigration and xenophobia.

trisher Mon 25-Sept-17 22:01:23

He was a Remainer but accepted the EU vote-here's why
medium.com/@OwenJones84/why-im-a-remainer-who-accepts-the-eu-referendum-result-d198dbc99c2

durhamjen Mon 25-Sept-17 21:53:43

No he didn't. He campaigned for remain.

Anniebach Mon 25-Sept-17 21:44:13

Owen Jones changes his views on Corbyn as the fancy takes him.

petra Mon 25-Sept-17 21:11:00

When did Owen Jones change his mind on Europe.
Only two years ago he was positioning himself as a 'Lexiter'
Meaning, someone on the left who wants to leave Europe.

durhamjen Mon 25-Sept-17 20:51:43

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/25/corbynomics-lives-pfi-being-bought-out-was-one-of-its-themes/

CBI says that nationalisation plans will send investors running for the hills.
Good.

durhamjen Mon 25-Sept-17 20:42:41

labourlist.org/2017/08/owen-jones-inspired-by-corbyns-politics-join-a-trade-union/

lemongrove Mon 25-Sept-17 20:16:13

Tbh paddyann am not sure how much both men know about England never mind Scotland, as both are so London centric.

paddyann Mon 25-Sept-17 20:10:27

did the Scottish MP correct Sadiq Khan who said only LONDON voted remain......EVERY region in Scotland voted remain with 62% of the overall vote.He and Corbyn should get together and see how much more misinformation on Scotland they can peddle

whitewave Mon 25-Sept-17 16:38:07

They all seem to work incredibly hard

GracesGranMK2 Mon 25-Sept-17 16:03:55

He's been doing a lot of work out in the country where seats look like ones that could be taken - Owen Jones that is.