Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

Did you see Ken Loach?

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dp I couldn't agree more and know exactly what you mean. They have got too clever by half and never let anyone develop their argument etc. I think that there is a lot wrong with the way people are interviewed at the moment and the lack of balance in the BBC

I agree GGmk2 - DP today had some good discussions - I think that Sarah Smith facilitates the debates well - she is an improvement on Jo Coburn who seems to have become very "interviewer-centric" - not sure how to describe what I mean - but it's when the interviewer is just trying to trap the interviewee to show the audience how clever they (the interviewer) are - so they'll ask questions that they know a politician is not in a position to answer or they'll keep interrupting - rather than help to inform the audience.

We aren't not at home but away staying with family - miss the DP!

I know Maizie. I did think older groups would want more status quo. I found my undecided ones interesting too

Did you see DP. I did think it was a well balanced discussion for once.

I went and voted on that site, GG2.

What is interesting is the fact that all age groups vote in very much the same way.

There was a really interesting piece on DP today (about 12 minutes in) Martyn Lewis was the guest of the day and the guests being interviewed were Chris Philp (Conservative MP) and Dr Faiza Shaheen (Director of Class).

Jo Coburn asked Faiza why she thought there is a crisis of legitimacy in capitalism.

Faiza replied that although the conversation about capitalism and free markets often appears black and white, we actually have a hybrid model; we don't have a totally free market system.

She commented that we do, however, have a problem which is causing a crisis. This is where we are applying free market principles in places where the profit motive doesn't work. To highlight this she quoted the private ownership of trains and utilities where there is no competition. She also commented that, at the same time, we are constantly giving public money to private companies. They are turning this into profit and that the consequence of this is huge changes in the levels of inequality in this country.

She made it clear that she doesn't believe we should have all public ownership, but that by using the free market principles in the wrong places and creating profits for a certain group of people it is resulting in very poor outcomes for others in society.

I found the whole discussion very interesting and though others might find it worth watching.

and while Corbyn talks of a united front the Scottish branch office is in meltdown...Talk of a coup to oust Dugdale ...just as well she jumped first ..and of another "senior" member being accused of talking pish ......so not as united as Mr Corbyn would like..but hardly surprising he knows damn all about whats happening here ,his speech recently north of the border showed clearly how little he knows or understands about Scotland

With so much discussion about the very shape of the economy you may want to put you votes in on Do you support renationalisation of rail, energy, water and more? Once you have voted you can see how the votes are going. Obviously it is a self-selecting voting population but interesting nonetheless.

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One amongst many things that cheered me this week is the fact that at long last tax exiles seem to be loosing their grip on the influence they have had for so many long years in the media.

Even the BBC has come under fire recently. What we need is balance, it needs to remember its remit and stop behaving like a media outlet.

You don't want people to have homes, don't you, lemongrove.
How are they unrealistic?
Councils to have the power to compulsorily purchase land that is not being used sounds like a very workable idea to me, and to anyone who needs an affordable home.
Regeneration for the benefit of local people is also a good idea.

5/1 for Corbyn being PM by next year's conference.

Industrial strategy, quite good, housing policies unrealistic,
Investment plans dubious.The whole speech was much as expected.If he becomes PM in five years I shall be able to judge him then.If we are all still here.

lemon what did you think of his industrial strategy, or his investment plans

No indeed Ilovecheese ( love the name btw) and I agree with you.
A lot of people are very worried though by all the ideas put forward by McDonnell and Corbyn, they are claiming to be the centre of politics now, but that is far from the truth.

But, lemongrove Conservative changes put in place simply because of ideology often don't work either.
The mass privatisations carried out due to ideology, are in many cases, not working well at all. Think of G4S and its many failings, what about all the subsidies that the govt. pays to some of these companies.
I agree with you, make sure that something works, before you expand it.
But the Labour Party is not the only party that is sometimes ideology driven.

Still, I will look on the bright side, we have just had a GE, and it may well be another 5 years before another one.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/27/who-delivered-a-run-on-the-pound/

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/27/who-delivered-the-greatest-proportion-of-pfi-spending/

If ( because that word is important) Labour get into power in the next few years, they have promised so many things to so many people, that frankly I can't see them delivering on, they are more likely to say that some policies are 'aspirations' which are put on the back burner.That's to be hoped anyway, as the thought of them ruining the economy soon after Brexit is a very real worry.
Look, making promises in speeches is the easy bit.The hard bit is managing a growing economy, easing ourselves away from the EU and not setting out to change things simply because of ideaology but only because they actually work.
I have no problem with a Labour Government being in
power, but with Corbyn, McDonnell and Co at the helm I have a boatload of worries, as do many others.

I don't mind that he sang - why shouldn't he?

lemon your remark is of course subjective and you are perfectly entitled to make it. But I don't think that you realise that the same was done for all the shadow cabinet.

No you haven't. You have not talked about what was in the speech.
I didn't find it cringeworthy at all, although I wish he hadn't sung. However, as my voice is possibly worse than his I can't say anything about it.

What do you think about his policy of councils taking land back from builders who haven't used it?

I haven't heard or read the whole speech. I heard some on radio 4, then saw highlights on BBC news at 6 and Channel 4 at 7.
From what I heard, JC hit the right issues well. Housing and industrial investment - good. He also seemed much more at east and confident in the role of party leader. `I wish I could feel more enthusiastic about Jeremy, Diane and John Mc but I'm so pleased to see the LP in much better heart than it was a year ago. Go Jeremy!

I have talked about it, but what an aggresssive post durhamjen
You didn't answer my question of the cringeworthy adulation of the crowd, did it not worry you?