Universal Credits- a new nightmare

Who will be the next scapegoats for this government's incompetence? After all, people on UC are working, so they can't be idle scroungers (that's not my view of people who are unemployed, by the way!). They've attacked doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers and anyone else who works in the public sector. Who's left to attack, who can't fight back?

My last post is a bit garbled, blame on the incoherent rage I feel towards the Tories.

Just stop getting so angry mines. Just breathe and focus on the shoes. You know it makes sense

Pensioners? Although if they think we can't fight back ...

Maryeliza, is that what they meant about Corbyn's Brexit stance damaging us?

What do TM, Prince Charming and petra have in common?

A shoe fetish?

Petra, in his favour he didn't wear his track suit or his ankle length fur coat, can it be he needs a wife who like his politics is of the forties, to clean his shoes for him

No shoe fetish here, just very high standards with how one should dress, especially when your representing your country. No excuse for dirty shoes.

Concentrating on other people's shoes is not a 'high standard' it is a fetish. Setting the standard for your own shoes and adhering to that is either everyday life - looking reasonably clean and tidy or slightly OCD - who knows where you sit on this spectrum?

Judging another person on their shoes is just plain weird unless they design or sell shoes.

I was always told it was gold-diggers who judged a man by his shoes - it told them how wealthy he was because shoes are the one thing you cannot borrow.

It was, even then, considered such an old-fashioned way of looking at life, very lower-middle class (when such things were important) and very tasteless.

It was always my dad's job to polish our shoes in the fifties and sixties, never the woman's job.
Maybe that's the working class way.

Is there something wrong with the politics of the forties, anyway, when the welfare state and the NHS came into being?

Not caring about the people adversely affected by the problems with UC is an example of a very poor standard IMO

durhamjen, my dad taught me how to polish my shoes. He also taught me how to wash my hands 'Properly" to get rid of germs. He largely left the emotional side of parenting to mum, as was the way in those days but he provided a real sound base on the expectations of living a decent life and contributing to society. So yes, I'd say it was the working class way that dad's taught us how to polish our shoes. In my case, it probably linked to her service as a (royal) marine in WW2 - we were even taught to brush the bit of the shoe between the heel and the front ball part of the shoe.
Plus, the 40's the welfare state and the NHS - glorious days. My grandparents often talked about the anxiety of needing 2/6pennies for the doctor. My dad lost half a lung to pneumonia because they delayed sending for the doctor when the mills were on short time.

I think the pre NHS days must have been horrendous for the vast majority of people. What is staggering is those of the generation who were born around the time of the birth of the NHS but do not seem to care that there is intent to first fragment and then destroy universal care. It is quite horrifying that people believe it when they are told we cannot afford the NHS as it is and yet other countries who are as wealthy or less wealthy than us spend more than we do. More of the power of propaganda.

Petra ?
Looks as if your shoe comments have touched a nerve.

Who cleans your shoes, lemon?

Yes Iam64 I think most of us who had Fathers in the Services were shown how to clean shoes ?.Mine had it down to an art form with spit and polish.

Annie said Corbyn needed a wife to polish his shoes for him, like they did in the forties. We were just saying it was the men who polished shoes in the forties, not the women.

Who cares about her shoes Jen. I have never heard anything so ridiculous, in this day and age, as judging someone by their shoes. It makes me wonder if we should check out what they call the rooms in their house or how they hold their knife and fork - just in case we should be judging them - quite pathetic.

GracesGran
Absolutely nothing to do with the reasons you give: I suppose it all comes down to what pride you have in yourself and what standards you expect from other people.
I do know that mine are high, and yours are somewhat lower.

No petra. If you were taking a pride in yourself you might decide YOUR polished shoes matter. Shoe watching other people is judgemental - nothing more, nothing less.

Such snobbery of the 'I'm better than you because I understand the rules and can pick on you because I don't believe you are obeying them" type is both very distasteful and more of the last century than this. By voicing it you may get a little frisson in that instant as you put yourself on a pedestal but you will also show people what judgement they should make of your pettiness.

Are you for real GGM2 and not from another century yourself??