Let's not forget Brexit

Blimey first paragraph “ for the E27 Brexit it will be insignificant, but for the UK it will be highly significant”

Must carry on reading

dj Thanks for that. Have you read it? There is so much to read I can’t keep up. But will give this a go I think.

www.ceps.eu/publications/programming-brexit-how-will-uk%E2%80%99s-it-sector-fare

A bit worrying for the UK's IT sector.

www.ceps.eu/publications/assessment-economic-impact-brexit-eu27

Typo rhetoric not rectoric predicted text and no can't copy and post on my android phone.

www.ceps.eu/node/13036

After May's speech in Florence.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/14/cross-party-group-no-deal-theresa-may-brexit-eu

Also- the EU has commissioned an economic impact assessment of Brexit on the EU and the UK and unlike our idiots have published it.

Oh yes

It’s “citizens right’s and constitutional affairs”

“The impact and consequence of Brexit on acquired right’s of EU citizens living in the UK, and U.K. citizens living in the EU”

Happy reading!! I’ve skimmed read some of it so far.

I think you will find the answer in the document I mentioned - do you want details only my technological skills are zero.

The title would be really helpful, whitewave
Then we could google it...

post the same old rectoric about the EU being wonderful and run down Theresa May and anyone who believes in Brexit.

If you're going to make extravagant claims, firecracker do you think you could back them up with some evidence? Like, perhaps, copy and paste the bits in our responses to POGS where we said that the EU is wonderful and ran down May?

You can do copy and paste, I presume?

Equally I'd be pleased to see POGS copy and paste those references to a 'benevolent' EU and a 'malevolent' UK. Especially as she is the Gnet copy and paste Queen...

(what on earth is rectoric? Something to do with a parish priest? We had one who lived in a Rectory...)

dj there is a glimmer of sanity beginning to show in the Commons and so far about 10 Tory MPs have signed up to stop a cliff edge or hard Brexit. We know the DUP is against a hard Brexit as well as labour, libs and Scottish contingent, so the Tory majority has disappeared.

So everything crossed to save our country from disaster.

firecracker I think you will find the answer in the document I mentioned - do you want details only my technological skills are zero.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/15/grim-reality-of-bad-tempered-brexit

If you want to make your day any worse....

"They" are not the EU negotiating team Firecracker and POGS so are not in a position to answer your question on citizen rights.

I have to agree that I haven't signed up to the bexit cult so do make comments which you would consider heretical but then - I always thought this was about the good of the country and not the good of the bexiteers or T May.

What's rectoric, firecracker?
It sounds painful.
I thought I did answer POGS question.
Because you don't like my answer doesn't mean I haven't answered it.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/heres-no-deal-brexit-disaster-13760047

They haven't answered your questions POGS on EU citizens rights because they can't all they can do is post the same old rectoric about the EU being wonderful and run down Theresa May and anyone who believes in Brexit.

I was struck by the idea that supporting brexit is a matter of faith, not reason, and has the propaganda benefit of keeping supporters in line.

I must admit I have always seen a level of cultism in brexit whitewave. The belief in things in spite of proof to the opposite. Cult leaders are seen by phycologists as narcissistic personalities - there are certainly a few of those benefiting from being at the front of bexit. I also notice that if 'the end of times' or whatever does not come today they just change the date of expectation. We can see a definite management of expectation going on within the group of extreme brexiteers. It's really how I have always seen a small portion of brexit.

It seems to me that the Brextremists are getting more than a little rattled,

They can no longer turn to all the lies that won them the referendum as they have been shown for what they are.

Now all they have left is to accuse those who prefer reality and facts, of lack of loyalty and scaremongering.
Empty vessels.

POGS, WE are leaving the EU.
It is not the EU's problem.
Once May says that she will give EU residents the same rights they have now, WHICH SHE HAS DEFINITELY NOT SAID SHE WILL, then the EU will reciprocate. They have said so.
May wants to give EU citizens fewer rights than they have now.
Why should the EU not continue trying to get their citizens more rights in the UK?

Why do you want EU citizens living in the UK to have fewer rights than they have now?

Where has the UK been called 'malevolent' by any of us POGS? I just do not recall that word being used at all in the many EU threads. Nor do I recall any Remainer characterising the EU as 'benevolent'.

That you fail to recognise that the UK might have a moral duty towards EU citizens whose lives they have disrupted speaks volumes about your view of human relationships.

Actually it would make more sense to advise you of the documents title so that you can read it for yourself, if you are interested of course.

Oh dear pogs you are incredibly selective in your quotes.

I still have that document put aside, all you needed to do was ask me if I had read it yet and any more information. Simples.

I asked

"Why hasn't the EU unilaterally given the same rights to UK citizens , irrespective of what the UK does. That is a plain and simple question.

The same posters have repeatedly said the UK/ May should unilaterally give the EU citizens the same rights as they have now whether or not a Reciprocal Arrangement was agreed.

May has been castigated as some kind of witch (now some idiot will no doubt say I agree with you POGS she is), yet the likes of Junker, Verhofstadt , Tusk have been seen as kind, benevolent . No they are not.

Why does the EU not unilaterally give UK citizens the same rights as they have now, I am not asking a question about the UK government I am interested as to why one side are seen as being malevolent for not unilaterally giving rights the other is benevolent."

MaizieD Sat 14-Oct-17 09:51:56
"Maybe, POGS because it was more incumbent on the UK, as the body proposing to sever ties with the EU, to guarantee the existing rights of EU nationals who have come to work and settle here in good faith.

That they have been regarded as bargaining chips is appalling and another of the nastinesses which make me ashamed to be British at the moment".
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Whitewave

" It's all to do with the legality surrounding “acquired rights”
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Durhamjen

"POGS, why should the EU make things easier for UK citizens at the moment?"
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Mamie

"Basically POGS because the likelihood is that once the UK has left it will not be up to the EU to decide, it will be up to our host nations"
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The question has not been answered .

The premise of the posters who have regularly called for the UK to unilaterally give EU citizens rights without knowing if it would be reciprocated to those UK citizens living in the other EU member states was based on 'The Right Thing To Do', 'Stop Using People As Pawns' etc.

Yet neither side UK or EU have unilaterally 'Done the right thing' , 'Stopped using people as pawns' have they!

So in my book that does not give either side the right to be called Malevolent or Benevolent as is/has been the rhetoric on thread after thread by those who see the EU as Benevolent and the UK Malevolent and no doubt will continue to so.

Yes forgot the ‘’ I really must stop just banging stuff out and be more careful.