EU wants us to pay 89 BILLION divorce charges.

Oh that doesn’t read correctly. I must stop doing 3 things at once. It’s ridiculous.

rahrah there are a lot on here that you are talking to. Me for one.

Oh dear.

rahrah unsure who you are talking to.Nobody on here that’s for sure.
We won and we do like the consequences, or we will,post Brexit, it hasn’t happened yet.So no need ‘to suck it up’ at the very least you are getting ahead of yourself.
More ‘nah nah nah’ from Remainers to Leavers in a characteristically silly way.

We need to pay what, we said we would when the budgets were set - it is a percentage of GDP which each country pays - something like 1% and we do not pay the second largest amount - more like 4th or 5th.
Most of the things you complain about are not caused by the EU but the UK Govts.

The reason we have food banks is nothing to do with the EU; that's just ridiculous!

As my daughters in law are EU citizens, I expect you think it will be okay for them to stop paying tax and NI in the UK, then.

Why should we pay anything. I keep hearing from remainers they are doing soooooo well. Why would they need our money, after all there are 27 of them and millions of them. Why do you feel more empathy to them than the people you live amongst. Who Pay for the NHS, Schooling, Our infrastructure. Yes they give a little back but we pay the second most in as a tariff. It's not free. A lot of the countries it is. It's so unfair. We have food banks !!!!! We have to do something and status quo isn't working. We are addicted to imports from the EU which just ends up in Germany's banks. We need to import less. If there are tariffs we would actually make more money. And there are no jobs! We are the most populated country in Europe.

Very good post Rahrah.

You were not the only one who knew these things.

I doubt than anyone who had taken the trouble to inform themselves, and not just swallow the poisonous rhetoric of the right-wing gutter press, could possibly have voted to leave.

What would be the point of having a referendum if it's only advisory. Remainers out numbered leavers by a good margin in the H of C. so it's obvious it wouldn't have gone through and would have been a complete waste of time and money in other words, a pointless exercise! David Cameron also said that he would activate article 50 the next day if leave won! Another daft comment!

I knew. I knew that we had enormous commitments to fulfil and that the divorce bill would be massive. I knew the £ was likely to plummet and that consequently the cost of living would go up. I thought it likely that many trained, valuable EU migrants (actually only 3.3m people, representing only 5% of the U.K. 65m population,) would seriously consider leaving. I knew that I, my children and my grandchildren would lose their right to freely work, live, study, travel and love in 27 other countries. I knew doors would be slamming in our faces, that businesses would leave for mainland Europe, taking skilled staff and enormous tax revenue with them. I knew farmers would start complaining when the subsidies stopped and the cheap, reliable labour dried up. I know that the EU are not trying to punish the UK, there are 27 other nation states that need protecting and I know the UK would be doing the same if it were in the same position. The EU are playing by the rules, our days of preferential treatment are over. I know these things because I bothered to inform myself of the facts and those that didn't shouldn't be surprised by what's going on. This is what they voted for. Only it wasn't was it? People voted as an act of blind faith, it was about a 'feeling' and a desire to return to a non-existent past. So to those who said no Remain voters woukd post on here, you were wrong. I'm ashamed to be English and appalled at the level of ignorance, you won and you don't like the consequences? As has been said to me so many times 'suck it up.'

Perhaps a Leave supporter could explain what G.B. will look like post BREXIT? How will we have enough food? Who are we going to trade with?

I agree people have rarely been aware of which projects have received EU grants.

I seem to remember just before the referendum, the BBC interviewing people in South Wales about what they thought about the EU. They almost all responded with "what has the EU ever done for us?" and they were standing outside a huge new community building which had been funded by the EU!

The Brexiteers said that the Government would guarantee to continue EU funding (to the farmers, to deprived communities, to environmental projects etc) but strangely I haven't heard that mentioned recently.

I never wanted to join in the first place and I still do not want to be associated with this greedy wasteful bunch. Leave means leave. We should just walk away.

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otiva; I'm on 'blue plaque spotters' on facebook. The logo showing EU funding is often quite small and I never noted them prior to the referendum. My local theatre, for example, is funded but they only have a logo on display in their private office; a new production soon to be shown in EU funded. Ditto our local cinema, [and one we go to in Northumberland] although that is displayed before the films are shown.

The referendum bill clearly stated that it was only advisory, and I foolishly thought that
MPs would debate the facts and act in the interests of the country.
David Cameron may have said he would abide by the vote...he also said that whatever the result, he would see it as his duty to stay and see it through.

Perhaps Merkel is setting an impossible demand in the hope that the UK will reconsider Brexit?

She probably is not going to stand again. I have a feeling Germany has an upper age limit for presidents.

Well said Welshwife and perfectly correct.

nez and now he is overseeing defra. He is already seemingly prepared to scrap environmental principles in the Repeal Bill which will ensure habitat degradation and pollution. We are already the worst in Europe for air pollution.

It was Gove who was anti experts. Look what he did to education.

Totally agree. It was never meant to be binding. Banks and busy are fleeing, we are a laughing stock in Europe. We travelled from Spain 3 days ago, no one we met in France or Spain understands why so many Brits are visiting for holidays but call the EU everything under the sun. They say we are crazy leaving when we are now so weak and banks and businesses are fleeing. I’m so sad that it’s turned into this. People said we need to control our borders! Watch the French and Spanish at control points, guns, searching, a strong force. The government have a duty to protect it’s citizens living with the EU and this should come first, not personal agendas and hatred.
If we must leave we must pay, and so many leavers haven’t the first clue how much their own area has benefited from EU funding. It’s not perfect but we should stay and work to make it better not let UK bec an isolated tiny island with no support from anywhere.

Don't give the government ideas, Tegan.
They have already downgraded teachers, doctors and nurses.

I think the politicians who persuaded people to vote to leave the EU have a lot to answer for. I think a lot of people naively thought we could just walk away from the EU the next day. Now the reality is starting to hit home.

Welsh wife - very eloquently put

Just think, those people in the EU that are striking such a hard bargain are the very people that have been striking hard [and successful] bargains with countries all over the world to get us favourable trade deals [Canada, China, I believe..please correct me if I'm wrong]. Perhaps they're using experts to do the negotiations and not amateurs like Davies et al. Whoever came up with the 'don't listen to experts' soundbite, along with 'take back control' thereby brainwashing half the population has got a lot to answer for [but I must admit to being quite impressed by their deviousness]. If we don't use experts to do things/advise us, can someone tell me who on earth we should use? Should we substitute eg teachers with farmers to give a different perspective on things. And then get the teachers to work in hospitals instead.