Corbyns Momentum

So true Iam. When you have this sort of internecine fighting everyone looses. Those who put their heads above the parapet in an attempt to bring about peace are much to be admired but it is always a bit of a thankless task until it is completed - and even then sometimes.

I’ve no issue with condemning all murderers as indicated earlier up thread. To have masked men take your mother away in front of you, to know she was murdered by the IRA is to experience despicable behaviour. The various paramilitaries were all involved in criminality and extortion

I couldn't agree more trisher, about condemning all killings. Isn't that what Jeremy Corbyn has always done? Obviously, if people are more concerned about attacking Corbyn and much less about sympathy for any single person caught up in the troubles, of whatever nationality, they will find a way to present it that suits there attempt to present a particular view of him.

No irony Iam64 but a belief that if one is to condemn the IRA bombs you must also condemn the killings perpetrated by all the other parties. Alternatively you can recognise that there were atrocities on all sides and then move on. I have yet to see any sign from many of the people posting that they are prepared to do either of these.
I believed in a united Ireland but I am prepared to accept that it is unlikely to happen, however as the demographic in N. Ireland alters things could change.

Entrenched attitudes aren’t confined to one person or any political group. I recognised and supported the desire for a United Ireland but to date, that isn’t something everyone in NI would have wanted.
There is for me irony in that comment that it’s entremched attitudes that kept the conflict going.

Yeterday's rebel is today's state leader. Or do you not know that Mandela, Ben Gurion, Castro, Washington, and many more started off as rebels?
Scraping the barrel a bit when you have to go back to college to justify a view.
Many of us believed the IRA had reasonable grievances and that the violence was accelerated as much by the British as by the IRA. But keep on moaning it's entrenched attitudes like these that kept the conflict going.

True lemon, he even quit college because he didn't agree with the course set out by the tutors

The reason Corbyn championed the cause of the IRA was because they were rebels and they hated the British establishment ( read what Abbott said on the same subject at the time.)This is what Corbyn has been all his life, a rebel, it probably started at school, which is why, in spite of a comfy home lifestyle and excellent schools he only managed two very poorly graded (E! ) A levels.
He then went on to rebel against everyone and everything.
Not a great trait in a Leader.

No , I am speaking of Corbyn supporting those who carried out these bombings

So perhaps you should stop posting all the comments about the bombings Annie and comply with the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.

Trisher he was openly supporting them long before the Good Friday agreement, not even he is thick enough to condemn them after all the support he gave . Well suppose he could have said what he said about his friends Hamas, with hindsight I was wrong

Annie I present a view on why Corbyn was right to refuse tocondemn the IRA bombings. I wonder if you recognise ts facet of the Good Friday Agreement.
POGS perhaps you didn't know about the involvement of the British government?

When Jeremy Corbyn refused to be coaxed into condemning IRA violence in isolation, he was merely fulfilling the principles set out in the Good Friday Agreement – one of the central tenets was in providing equal access to justice and recompense for all communities and all victims of the conflict, rather than prioritising and creating an unjust hierarchy of victimhood, a hierarchy that had dominated media and political discourse around the conflict since it flared up in 1969. There are fair accusations to make that the Good Friday Agreement did this insufficiently and imperfectly by further entrenching sectarianism, but the main thrust of it dealt with a situation which was hitherto prioritising an archetype of victimhood at the expense of others, effectively erasing the victims of state violence. The Saville Inquiry into Bloody Sunday has been one such recompense; others include the establishment of Historical Enquiries Team and police ombudsman to investigate unresolved murders. These were not entirely adequate – in 2013 the HET faced criticism from the independent police inspectorate for not investigating deaths caused by the police or military with sufficient rigour, no doubt thanks to the revolving door of retiring officers of the now-defunct RUC finding employment in the HET or Legacy Support Unit. The HET was dissolved in 2014 thanks to a 7% policing budget cut, despite the fact it had made public documents that shone light onto a number of atrocities involving British state collusion including the McGurk’s Bar bombing and the activities of the notorious Glenanne Gang, a UVF death squad who killed mainly Catholic civilians with assistance from UDR and RUC Special Patrol Group and Special Branch officers.

I have always understood the reasons for the IRA, I know of the injustices carried out against the Catholics

My anger is for the Birmingham pub bombings, the Enniskillen bombings, the Harrods bombing

I was just as angry with the killing of the innocent people on a peace march on Bloody Sunday

trisher

I don't need to read about it, we lived through it all did we not? In fact I have said before on another Corbyn thread in the past it was after the Brighton Bombing Jeremy Corbyn came into my radar , there was a lot of coverage surrounding Corbyn at that time .

I have never stated it was only one side who caused trouble as I have not stated only one political party tried to get peace in Ireland.!

Everybody has worked hard Annie that is the point I am making and Blair, No Mowlam did work hard for the result of Peace in Ireland.

Considering events that have taken place over the years right up to today it is debatable if some factions will ever abide by the desire for Peace over Politics sadly.

POGS try reading something about the violence historically and presently accepted by the DUP and the British government. The organisations and the people involved in the killings were never and are still not limited to those who set bombs. The violence was always perpetrated by both sides.
newsocialist.org.uk/northern-ireland-the-dup-and/

Seems .blair could walk on water, he became PM in 1997 and the Good Friday agreement was signed in 1998 , there had been no labour government since 1983 , damn smart move by the labour government alone to get it all sorted in a year

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4072261.stm

This is a good 'time line' of events .

trisher.

I have the utmost respect respect for Mo Mowlam as I do for ' all ' who tried to get peace in Ireland.

You are wrong to assume however there was no Conservative influence over the years when debating the Irish Question , from the 1985 Anglo Irish Agreement signed by Margaret Thatcher through to Patrick Brook, Peter Mayhew, John Major .

As with most things years of talks, negotiations, preparedness take place and thank goodness the 'government of the day' continued badgering on what others had started and I applaud the Good Friday Agreement.

However I think it such a shame this happened in November 2017:-

"Police have confirmed that a device left close to a Remembrance Sunday commemoration in Omagh was a viable pipe bomb.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said the bomb was an attempt to disrupt Poppy Day in the County Tyrone town, which was the site of the deadliest atrocity of the 30-year Troubles. "
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www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/14/police-severe-terror-threat-ira-northern-ireland-bomb-attacks

According to the latest statistics from the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI), over the past 12 months there have been 52 bomb attacks across Northern Ireland compared with 36 the previous year. One prison officer, Adrian Ismay, died from injuries after a bomb exploded underneath his van in March.

Should I praise bombing of innocent fellow country men? Your choice to do so, not mine

As has anyone who chose not to demonise the IRA as you have Annie but recognised a grievance and condemned the actions without dismissing the movement. It would be good if you could appreciate the difference.

John Major has been credited for his part in it.

He may have talked to Dublin POGS but given his past history of failing to prosecute RUC officers it is unlikely that any agreement would have been reached. It took all of Mo Mowlam's skill and perserverence to keep the parties around the table. If you are saying Mahew was part of a long term peace process that included all the people willing to speak about such things then certainly he has his place. But if he is then so undoubtedly are Corbyn and anyone who spoke to the parties involved.

Correction

Patrick Mayhew.

Apologies for missing out the Conservatives contribution to the peace process.

trisher

"Does anyone seriously think that if everyone had adopted the same policies as the Conservatives (remember you weren't allowed to hear the voices of IRA members) the IRA would have been prepared to enter into the NI Peace Process? "

Are you making this statement /question with the then
Conservative Northern Ireland Secretary's in mind namely Peter Brook and Patrick Mayher or somebody else?

Or do you perhaps think the Conservative party had no part/Nada /zilch whilst in government with the Peace Process in Ireland prior to Labour winning and taken over the mantle and to follow on what had been started.