Corbyns Momentum

And not back stabbing when he ran a campaign from his own home to get expelled militant members back into the party no matter we had lost the 1983 election because of the rise of the far left?

Corbyn voted against the whips many tines. That is not ‘backstabbing’.

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong Annie. Just because I support JC as leader of the LP doesn’t mean I don’t support a broad range of views within the party. Contrary to what you seem to believe I don’t want to live in a communist state, but I do want socialist views to be fully represented in the party in a way I don’t believe they have been for over 20 years.

My issue with Steven Kinnock and the other so called ‘moderate’ MPs is not that they didn’t agree with JC it’s that they actively wanted to see him lose in order to get rid of him. That isn’t disloyalty to a man it’s disloyalty to their party which had seen him democratically elected as leader. I believe at the start of his leadership he expressed a genuine willingness to work with colleagues right across the left - moderate spectrum, but many were not willing to work with him. They undermined him from the very start of his leadership without ever giving him a chance.

The Welsh woman on the TV programme was right when she said that if they had got behind him they might have seen a different result in the general election. I can’t remember her exact words but I fully agreed with the sentiment behind them.

Thank you for the explanation Eloethan

I always thought he was just a 'shoo-in' for a while, until someone younger was found, but I may be wrong.

It follows Corbyn has spent most of his time in Westminster back stabbing

I would prefer the LP had won the last election, it didn't. It needs to be ten points ahead of the conservatives, at this point, to win the next election and it isn't. I don't see the MP's who opposed JC as backstabbing etc. They expressed their concerns. The LP share of the vote went up thankfully.

It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Corbyn, McDonell or Abbot but there are some good young MP's coming through. The LP policies at the last election, alongside the awful Tory austerity/ feed the rich and starve the poor approach to public service left Mrs M with less power than she had going into the election.

We were a marginal but our LP MP has represented us for years. Canvassing at the last election, what was heard repeatedly was that people didn't want to vote for Corbyn despite their despair at government policies. We seemed to have been able to persuade the majority they'd be voting for the local MP, who was generally well liked - not for JC. The LP needs to win an election and I'm beginning to feel it's possible I may never see a LP in government again. That gives me no pleasure. Throughout my life time, the Tories in power has been like Narnia, always winter and never Christmas.

Those who are centre left wouldn't come across any other way to you nightowl would they?

I think I watched a different programme Anniebach. It showed up those Labour MPs for what they are - disloyal, backstabbing individuals who would have preferred to see a landslide victory for the conservatives just so they could get rid of the leader of their party. Steven Kinnock did not come across well in my opinion and he was not the only one.

Mmmm - Tomorrow Belongs To Me

No, the thread is not about a leader of a party, the thread is - CORBYN AND MOMENTUM.

There has never been threats of rape and MP's needing police protection until the birth of Momentum .

Stephen Kinnock's wife instructed ? Really ? I would say as an ex Prime Minister and a wife I would say she advised her husband .

The summing up at the end was interesting, - not about the old man who has left the stage etc.

Given the amount of physical and emotional energy required to lead a party, it may well have been better for a younger person to have taken on the role.

However, in my view, Corbyn was chosen because of the views and policies he put forward. If a younger person had stood for election with a similar commitment to opposing the austerity agenda and to trying a more constructive way of creating a secure and successful country, he or she would probably have won the leadership. As it stood, only Corbyn was willing to brave the wrath of the media, and those many MPs who did not wish to possibly risk their safe seats by rocking the boat, in refusing to accept the notion that there is no alternative to unjust policies which unfairly target the less well off and which damage the whole infrastructure of the country.

It's funny though isn't it. Young Labour members new to the party are criticised for their youth (they're naive, too idealistic/unrealistic, unpredictable, too radical, etc. etc.) and Corbyn is criticised for being too old (doddery, inept, uncharismatic, etc. etc.). It makes you wonder what is the optimum age for a Labour Party member, MP or leader.

I don't understand the point of your last two, either.
Are you saying that a man the same age as many of us cannot be in charge of our country?
He's certainly making a better fist of things at the moment than May is.
I know the thread is about Corbyn, but it's also about a leader of a party.

I don't understand the point of your post, sorry djen

We're talking about Momentum and Corbyn

I just find it interesting

And the Conservative Party chose...?
They didn't, did they? She's there by default, chosen by MPs who didn't want to stand, and not the membership.

The Conservative Party used to be quite good at recruiting and retaining members, often through a more social/networking approach than a political one. However, their membership is now waning and consists largely of older people.

And, I am sure that this is not true, but the Labour Party chose a particular type of old man who looks as if he would fumble to find the 'on' switch on a computer and loves his allotment.

The Labour Party has benefitted from new, intelligent, organised and tech-savvy members - many of them young but I don't think that has yet been designated a crime - and their input should, in my view, be welcomed.
Interesting, then that they have chosen an old man to lead them.

anniebach If you've watched The Summer that Changed Everything, you will have seen the look of amazement and disappointment on Stephen Kinnock's face during the election when it became clear that the humiliating demise of Corbyn (which of course would have had a profound effect on the Labour Party) as confidently predicted by Kinnock and some of his colleagues, and of course the media, was not happening. It was interesting to see that his wife had to instruct him, word for word, as to how to handle the subsequent inevitable media interviews - emphasizing that he must not mention Corbyn at all. Luckily for him, his vote went up - as did the vote of many other anti-Corbyn MPs - on the back, in my opinion, of a hopeful and positive campaign that challenged the soul-destroying austerity mantra of the right. Also because of the fantastic online campaign that effectively gave voice to many of the issues that have been causing great distress to people in this country. These volunteers also put in enormous amounts of time and effort in telephone and door-to-door canvassing, the majority of it initiated and organised by Momentum.

One of the criticisms of the Labour Party used to be that it was complacent about its core vote and unwilling to substantially oppose Tory policies re, for instance, privatisation, financial and other regulation, etc., for fear of upsetting the rich and powerful and their media friends. Another was that it made little effort to inspire and recruit new members and encourage their participation - and, crucially, that it was organisationally inept.

The Conservative Party used to be quite good at recruiting and retaining members, often through a more social/networking approach than a political one. However, their membership is now waning and consists largely of older people.

If the Conservative Party could pull together an organisation like Momentum, they would be delighted. The few attempts they have made have descended into chaos as contributors made such aggressive and racist comments that the site had to be shut down. The Labour Party has benefitted from new, intelligent, organised and tech-savvy members - many of them young but I don't think that has yet been designated a crime - and their input should, in my view, be welcomed.

Leonard is making a complete fool of himself in Scotland,took the credit for saving a company when all the work was done by the First Minister THEN he said he wanted to nationalise Scottish water??? Think he'd have to sell it THEN renationalise it as it is already in public hands.They really should learn at least some facts about Scotland BEFORE they open their mouths

Now I know what Comrade Corbyn means by for the many not the few - have just got around to watching
Labour - the summer that changed everything. At the annual party conference of the eleven hundred delegates in the hall, more than eight hundred were members or supporters of Momentum, Lucy Powell and Yvette Cooper and other MP's had to stand at the back of the hall, they were not wanted in the hall.

RIP the Labour Party

Given choice between four colours or shot , I rather like to have choice of four colours

Given choice between four colours or shot , I rather like to have choice of four colours

How funny,petra.
"The point is they didn't have a choice. There were only about four colours."
That's choice!

How funny,petra.
"The point is they didn't have a choice. There were only about four colours."
That's choice!

Fennel, Blair did just fine as the opposition, won three elections .

Do you agree with de selection of MP's who don't agree with Corbyn on everything, not forgetting how many times he voted against his own party leader.

And do you agree with prospective MP's having to sign a loyalty to Corbyn clause, this is not my idea of democracy.

He wants to stop MP's doing what he did