Corbyns Momentum

anniebach Almost all, if not every, thread you start appears to be started for the sole purpose of having a go at Corbyn. You have repeatedly referred to his supposed "friendship" with Hamas, so I am again posting what you previously said about Corbyn and Hamas:

"I have no problem with Corbyn saying he had conversations with Hezbollah or Hamas or the IRA , talks are better than bombs , listening is better than bombs , The man is a pacifist. I doubt he exchanges Christmas cards or has cosy dinners with them. I have friends in the true sense of the word who are Tories , because they are friends it doesn't mean I share their values."

You insist on calling people who support Corbyn "devotees" or saying that they "worship" him or are "brainwashed". I, and other people, have already stated that they do not see Corbyn as infallible or support everything he does, but they feel he and the Labour Party are far preferable to what we have at the moment.

In my opinion, we have a government that is intent on destroying everything that has been achieved to make this society humane and civilised - wrecking our NHS, our education system and our welfare safety net for people who have fallen upon hard times. Why not concentrate some of your energies on that instead of trying to destroy the credibility of a party which is trying to reverse this devastation?

Of course it's just another Corbyn bashing thread, not saying anything new.

jend, I know CL apologised and no problem if you therefore see it as a non story. I wish he hadn't said it that's all.

I get it now, it's nothing to do with Clive Lewis, just another Corbyn bashing thread.

Paddyann, he doesn't believe in use of arms yet attended IRA events, called Hamas his friends . The Labour Friends of Israel are part of the Labour Party, Momentum is not.

Not forgetting his excuse for inviting the IRA leaders to Westminster was his belief ! that it is only by talking can we move forward. He said this was why he attended the Bobby Sands memorial .

As is stressed often by his devotees, he is the elected leader, should an elected leader not work with the whole of his party

One thing it certainly isn’t -is very DT quite the opposite in fact.

I haven't read through the post just the title,Is there a problem with anyone who accepts one invitation over another? Why should Jeremy Corbyn accept an invitation to a freinds of Israel event if he disgrees with Israeli foreign policy...or their treatment of the Palestinian people? I'm a socialist and I wouldn't attend any Israeli state events or anything that supports them.Isn't that just freedom of choice ..and even party leaders must be allowed that ...surely?

If you have read the article in the Guardian fully, Iam, you will have noticed that Clive Lewis apologised.
Therefore, non-story.

I'm not interested in the continued arguments between a few people here but I was interested to read (yes in the Guardian and on the B BC/Channel 4 news links on line) about the comments from Clive Lewis.
I was disappointed on a number of levels. A close friend was very distressed when his lover began to call him 'my bitch' in a derogatory manner. The relationship ended badly soon after. I'm aware some people use it ironically I wish CL hadn't said what he did, whatever the context.
I'm with Harriet and others who expressed distaste and disappointment. If that makes me an old fuddy duddy, I'll live more easily with that than the notion than CL has nothing to apologise for.

Guido Fawkes' faux outrage at the use of the word "bitch" cannot be taken seriously, coming from someone who has frequently used the word himself and whose "joke" photograph of Diane Abbot and himself is lewd and distasteful in the extreme.

I don't recall there being that much outrage from Conservative Party supporters about this report relating to a Conservative member and former Conservative minister:

"GEORGE OSBORNE has appeared to make an apology to Theresa May through the newspaper he edits after reportedly telling friends he would not rest until she was “chopped up” in his freezer." (Sunday Express 19 September).

Really? It was your photo attachment that I clicked onto at 17.22!

“There’s a certain irony in Guido Fawkes pushing this, when they’ve been one of the chief orchestrators of harassment against Diane Abbott, the most prominent black female politician in the UK.”

From the Guardian article. Not my words.

It was Annie who posted what Guido Fawkes said in her OP.
It's in the Guardian article.
Perhaps you ought to read more carefully.

You've really focused on Guido Fawkes haven't you? I repeat, I don't consider him a valid, or reputable, news source and only hear of his musings when durham posts them here. Had he been the only source of Clive Lewis's inappropriate language, I could understand your ire; but he wasn't. I repeat, I read it in the Guardian; a news source that I think has more gravitas than an online blogger. I don't give a rats who actually reported the CL story, trisher; I'm more bothered that this story had to be told in the first place.

And apparently you don't know (or don't care) that Guido Fawkes regularly uses the term 'bitch' about all sorts of people. But as you said why should you care about the utterings of Guido Fawkes? If you find such language offensive as you say, you really should!

What are you on about trisher? If you're referring to my abhorrence of the word "bitch" being used, by anyone, to any one, I'm not about to change my mind on that just because you care to disagree.

If you're referring to my reference to Guido Fawkes, then I'm perplexed. I first heard about Clive Lewis using inappropriate and offensive language via The Guardian, not Guido Fawkes. In fact, I rely on durham for Guido Fawkes links because I don't actually rank him as being a reliable or worthy news source. But durham follows him apparently and she posted her link about him and Diane Abbot.

Check your own posts Chewbacca and look at the inconsistencies.

I'm offended by any word that is used to specifically denigrate women

Why would I say anything at all about the utterings of Guido Fawkes?

Perhaps the words you posted first give you a good answer to your question, or perhaps not because it isn't true.

The word bitch is unlovely even when describing a female dog, but in any other context it's deeply unattractive and usually very insulting.

" Apparently it is WHO said it that is really important, not what was said. Nice to know how deep people's principles run."

That is applicable in more than one direction on this thread.

Example of how divided the Labour Party is. I am a member and find the joke! disgusting, Corbyn finds it unacceptable, Jen and .Trisha approve and defend it fiercely

Eh trisher?

Jen, I ask you politely- never again demand a reply from me, I am not in this forum to dance to your tune

So Chewbacca your post saying "I'm offended by any word that is used to specifically denigrate women trisher" isn't strictly true. Apparently it is WHO said it that is really important, not what was said. Nice to know how deep people's principles run.

Why should Clive Lewis be getting this treatment if Guido Fawkes didn't?
Now you know about it, what are you going to say?

Say durham? Why would I say anything at all about the utterings of Guido Fawkes? He isn't an elected MP. He isn't a member of the Labour Party. He isn't a person who has political and social influence for millions of LP party supporters. Clive Lewis is.

I find it quite touching that you're still vociferously defending his inappropriate remarks, especially as Corbyn The Great has personally condemned the remarks as being "completely unacceptable". Your devout loyalty must be stretched in all directions!

I think you need to have a rethink about your comment on Diane Abbott, too, Annie.
Is it okay for Guido Fawkes to say he has sorted Diane Abbott out by going to bed with her just because he is not an MP?

Don't attack me for asking. Just give me your proper answer.