Corbyns Momentum

lemongrove- I can assure you the kids in Stoke-on-Trent were not posh kids from private schools. And the schools in Leicestershire and Surrey were the Army Cadets were involved in school fairs, etc, and in activities on the campus- were VERY much state comprehensives.

Of course they love it - and that is my point entirely. And kids who are failing at school and come from troubled backgrounds are very much encouraged, via the exciting activities and trips - in taking the King's Schilling as you call it.

As said- it is really shocking for people from Germany, Italy and Austria - where this is exactly how kids were recruited.

Why not? I should think they would love it, given half a chance.If they want to consider joining the services either at 18 or after University, well, good for them.

Nothing wrong with young kids doing physical training, sport, orientation, first aid, etc- but NOT

Core subjects

Drill and Turnout
Military Knowledge
Fieldcraft
Skill at Arms
Shooting

before they are 18 at the earliest.

The Army Cadets didn't shock me at all- but the principle that 12 year olds are trained to use arms and march in uniform to military drill, did-

It seriously shocked all my German assistants - who could not believe the Army and Navy, with tanks, machine guns, etc- were invited, or invited themselves, in schools to encourage young kids to consider a career in either. This could NOT happen in any EU country, and certainly not in Germany and Austria- where it is far too reminiscent of Hitler's and Mussolini's Youth training.

trisher

"He doesn't. He hasn't. It isn't.

If you have more up to date information to the contrary please do share."

Yes he is and no matter how many times you are given information you elect to ignore it.

Listen to the man himself declaring he is a Marxist :-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw (if link works)

Oh good grief The Army Cadets. Shocked you to the core!

Now they really are scary. I thought it was some mad marauding outfit I had never come across.

There were 324 units in state schools and the conservatives wanted more www.gov.uk/government/news/more-cadets-for-our-communities

I believe Army Cadets are only in private (Public Schools) for the wealthy jura and it may, or may not, tempt them to join the Services, it is certainly not for poor inner city children and forcing them into taking ‘the King’s shilling’.
Some grammar schools may have this ( cadets) as an added bonus.No state comprehensive near where I live had this.

Army Cadets

Pogs Boys brigade?

jura 2

" Ihave to say, when I first came to live in the UK in 1970 and came across groups of very young teenagers marching to screaming orders, in uniform - I was truly shocked to the core. Same when I found that the same happened in many schools, including the manipulation of fire arms."

Who/what you mean ?

That’s exactly what I said but people choose not to accept the truth and prefer to continue with the usual myths.

I too think Marx has made an enormous contribution to economic theory, but to then suggest that I’m a Marxist is showing a distinct lack of understanding of economic theory.

I've only called John McDonnell a Marxist. I've done that because I believe John McDonnell is a Marxist because that's how he describes himself.
He doesn't. He hasn't. It isn't. He has said Marx has to be acknowledged and recognised by anyone looking at economic theory.
If you have more up to date information to the contrary please do share.

So why do you have a problem with me saying John McDonnell is a Marxist then trisher?
Or saying it doesn't cut it with you or " I do have to present a reasoned argument that has real knowledge and actual facts behind it."
You are really not presenting a reasoned argument here.

Primrose65 please read this article www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/john-mcdonnell-theresa-may-marxist-energy-bills
It explains how as an economist Marx cannot be ignored, how many of the ideas he advocated, considered revolutionary at the time, are now part of mainstream culture. Things like free education, the abolition of child labour. And that even Theresa May has adopted at least one of his ideas. Perhaps you are unaware of how mainstream Marx ideas now are?

How many of his own people did he kill?

By 1943, the Soviet Union had already lost some 5 million soldiers and two-thirds of its industrial capacity to the Nazi advance. That it was yet able to turn back the German invasion is testament to the courage of the Soviet war effort. But it came at a shocking price.

low, below low - and you know full well no-one, but no-one, has said this. Russians did die in their 1000s during WW2- that is fact.

Seems Stalin is now a hero and saviour of the western world

OK.
I've only called John McDonnell a Marxist. I've done that because I believe John McDonnell is a Marxist because that's how he describes himself.

Reasoned enough?

I have asked a question on a quote by Corbyn several times but not corbinite has explained

How can the armed forces who fought in the Falklands be dismissed as unemployed , not after they were injured, when they went there

After the war Stalin didn't hesitate to move into Eastern European countries and subjugate them. It was Stalin who waited the other side of the river until the Germans had pounded Warsaw to smithereens, waiting until hundreds had been killed particularly the intelligentsia, whom they were especially keen to eradicate, FINALLY coming to the Poles rescue when it was virtually too late, and then they 'forgot' to go home. It was almost certainly Soviets who murdered Polish Officers (whose graves were discovered), and blamed Germany. Stalin murdered more of his own countrymen, never mind any one else, than Germany killed during the whole of WW2. He was in fact a monster and communism a monstrous sham as it still is in, for example, NK and to be greatly feared.
As for a Peace Prize! Never mind Hitler, Wonder if Stalin would have qualified?!!!

You don't haveto agree with me Primrose65 you do have to present a reasoned argument that has real knowledge and actual facts behind it. Saying "Oh he's a Marxist" or "He's a communist" really doesn't cut it with me. I have met people who are both those things and they are actually people who know and have researched an awful lot about history before they have reached conclusions and beliefs. One of the reasons I find it so amusing that I am regarded as far left by many on GN is that I know that I am no such thing.

Sorry trisher. Didn't realise you can only talk in a bubble with people who always agree with you.