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What on Earth are we leaving our grandchildren?

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MawBroon Wed 25-Oct-17 15:34:08

I think,we as the consumers must share some of the blame with our obsession for LOW prices and “aesthetic”produce. The supermarkets will squeeze the farmers until the pips squeak and can cancel a whole contract for less than perfect produce or failure to meet the required quantities at the lowest possible price so the producers are forced to overproduce and undercut and (as they see it ) their savings have to be made somewhere. When you think of the vast quantities of food WASTE it is clear we have got something very wrong.

lemongrove Wed 25-Oct-17 15:21:33

We have all been conditioned to expect perfect looking apples etc which is to blame really, so yes, supermarkets need to up their game and take less than perfect fruit and veg from farmers.Taste is more important than a few blemishes.

merlotgran Wed 25-Oct-17 15:18:15

Why not, durhamjen?

Ask the supermarkets.

lemongrove Wed 25-Oct-17 15:09:04

What farmers can do, is add goodness to the soil and be careful of what they do use, but in large scale food production they could lose too much of the crop if not sprayed, and that would result in less produce for sale and expensive prices.We can’t expect them to be entirely organic, but there is no doubt more that they could do, and they need to be encouraged, either by subsidies and/or laws in place,mso that they will do it.

durhamjen Wed 25-Oct-17 15:02:53

Why not?
If farmers do not, the structure of the soil will end up like a dustbowl, which is the whole point of it, isn't it, to stop that?

lemongrove Wed 25-Oct-17 14:07:39

Organic farming can never be done on a large scale for the UK.

lemongrove Wed 25-Oct-17 14:06:39

Being in the EU hasn’t done anything for the state of our soil here, so can hardly be worse once we are clear of the EU, and as Jalima says, we can do more on this issue hopefully from now on.

durhamjen Wed 25-Oct-17 14:05:11

Why does there need to be a Sustainable Soil Association?
Why can they not just join the Soil Association?
Organic farming is the best way to keep a good soil structure.

durhamjen Wed 25-Oct-17 14:02:44

Gove's record on environmental issues.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11858/michael_gove/surrey_heath/votes#environment

Voted for selling off the forests.
Voted against measures to prevent climate change.
Voted for high speed rail, which will destroy much of the ancient forest.

Jalima1108 Wed 25-Oct-17 13:10:06

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/05/dairy-farmers-face-difficult-times-demonising-unfair

We need to support our farmers, not demonise them or drive them to suicide Day6.

Very few are greedy - only the big landowners who have benefited most from the EU policies.

Jalima1108 Wed 25-Oct-17 13:08:03

Well said merlotgran.

Good farmers do their best to produce what the supermarkets believe the consumer wants - perfect food without a single blemish - because otherwise they would lose their livelihood. Good farmers are also aware of what the land needs in return.

If the EU Agricultural Policy was so perfect why is the soil in such a perilous state now? Now we are leaving, perhaps we can act unilaterally to reverse the damage done.

merlotgran Wed 25-Oct-17 12:40:33

Just a word in defence of 'greedy farmers'....They are so hog-tied by the greedy supermarkets that are their main source of income that they live in fear of contracts being cancelled.

They are being pushed and pushed to produce more.

Day6 Wed 25-Oct-17 11:48:52

Well, I think we have more of this soil impoverishment going on once we leave the EU as farmers use whatever methods they can to extract every ounce of crops from the soil as food imports become more expensive.

But given most of us are aware of the eco-system, have green credentials and appreciate the planet's fragility I suspect we will wage war on greedy farmers. Once out of the EU's clutches I am sure the campaign for soil enrichment will gather strength.

So many more of us compost and recycle these days. Enlightenment has dawned.

Hopefully the issue will get lots of publicity.

Let's buy wormeries for our GC at Christmas. grin Early education regarding the way the planet works is vital for future generations I believe.

MaizieD Wed 25-Oct-17 11:41:23

Well, I think we have more of this soil impoverishment going on once we leave the EU as farmers use whatever methods they can to extract every ounce of crops from the soil as food imports become more expensive.

EU attempts to improve the agricultural environment have proved to be so very unpopular...

lemongrove Wed 25-Oct-17 11:31:56

Frightening isn’t it?

merlotgran Wed 25-Oct-17 10:06:29

Thanks for the link, Maw. I too have little time for MG but agree with every word. Intensive farming horrified me when we moved to Cambridgeshire in the mid seventies. DH was an arable manager and we were moving from mixed farming (much more my thing) to intensive arable.

When we bought our own property after living in a tied farmhouse we added two acres of prime, supposedly fertile, fen soil to the small back garden. I couldn't wait to get stuck in but was told by an old style farm worker, 'You won't get nothing to grow in there except nettles!'

He was right.....To my horror I couldn't find a single worm. It took three years of study, hard work building an efficient composting system and patience before I could honestly say I'd put right the damage caused by intensive farming.

The farmland around us had a brief respite when organic produce became trendy (even for some large food producers) about twenty years ago but it's back to intensive methods again now. sad

DH was responsible for a huge programme of tree and hedge replanting during the eighties and it breaks his heart to see rows and rows being ripped out again.

Tim Smit's comment at the end of the article is spot on.

Jalima1108 Wed 25-Oct-17 09:56:35

Michael Gove strikes me as a man who needs to have a mission - many may not agree with his previous campaigns - but this time perhaps his zeal will be of vital importance to the future of agriculture in this country.
Let us all hope, for all our sakes, that this time his efforts will be successful.

MawBroon Wed 25-Oct-17 07:12:31

I have little time for Michael Gove, for a variety of reasons, but my blood runs cold at this prospect of what we are bequeathing our children and grandchildren, according to an article in this morning’s paper.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/24/uk-30-40-years-away-eradication-soil-fertility-warns-michael-gove