Let's not Forget Brexit(2)

Wouldn't staying in either the single market or at least the Customs Union, avoid the Irish border problem?

May was not quite alone when she made that decision. Reportedly she was with her discredited advisor, Nick Timothy. I wonder if they had both missed the numerous assurances from the leavers that "nobody is talking about leaving the single market"?

I think you posted the Flexcit link before Maizie, but worth looking at again as my view of how we would best be represented in these negotiations changes a little at times. Glad it wasn't my brain-fog settling in with the sign-up bit.

I with him on the 'incandescent about the mess that May is making of Brexit', especially hearing (only hearsay I agree) that it was May, basically alone, who decided we had to leave the single market.

You don't particularly have to 'sign up' for North's blog; I haven't. To access his earlier blogs just follow the link I gave earlier then click on Archive in the menu bar at the top. That gives you a complete list of his daily blogs. As far as I understand it he's been blogging daily about leaving the EU for many years so I imagine that there are thousands there to read

You can also access his 'plan' for leaving, Flexcit, through the menu bar. I haven't read it (because I don't want to Leave) but I think he advocated a staged withdrawal by way of the EEA with a transition period over a number of years . He is incandescent about the mess that May is making of Brexit

I know I have been writing 5th or 6th when I have been posting as different journalist have used different ones Maizie. I think this is just a case of having to admit the truth.

I think I may just be missing it but I can't see where to sign up for Richard North - can you give me an idiot's guide?

I thought we'd crashed out of the top 5 quite some time ago, GG2

Are they only now acknowledging this?

Well, this is interesting. From Leaver, Richard North's blog:

. According to a source directly in touch with her, with whom I talked earlier in the week, the decision to leave the Single Market was taken solely by the Prime Minister, after discussing the issues only with her then closest advisor, Nick Timothy.

Crucially, neither Mrs May nor Timothy had the first idea of the consequences of taking the UK out of the Single Market, nor any understanding of what the country's new "third country" status brings.

Without having consulted with other political colleagues, or more widely with business or industry – much less those of us who had done the background research – Mrs May led us blindly into a trap of her own making. She created a political environment where it is virtually impossible to devise or sustain "a coherent policy on Brexit".

So, did she paint us into an impossible corner from the start just on the decision of herself and her unelected advisor or, as a commenter on the blog suggests, had she consulted other colleagues?

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86679

I've said it before, but I'll say it again, this blog is really worth following. North posts every single day; he's very knowledgeable and the BTL comments, which come from Leavers and Remainers, are civilised and (mostly) informed.

www.theweek.co.uk/budget-2017/89938/debt-will-not-fall-to-pre-2008-levels-for-50-years

Well done, Brexiteers. Is this what you wanted for your children and grandchildren?

Britain crashes out of world's top 5 economies

Treasury chief Philip Hammond acknowledged the slide on Wednesday, noting the new ranking in a series of statements meant to highlight the economy's strength.

"Britain is the world's sixth largest economy," Hammond said in his closely-watched budget speech. ...

The slide reflects a sharp deceleration in Britain's economic growth since it voted to leave the European Union in June 2016. The pound has weakened dramatically, consumer spending has slowed and prices have spiked.

Interesting article Mostly, Jen. I think he has been right to hold back until now and he has focused on the UK issues that otherwise tend to be overlooked but it was just the right area on which to attack the government this week.

Tegan, this is why Murdoch should not be allowed more influence.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/23/ken-clarke-cameron-had-deal-with-murdoch-for-2010-election

"Here’s his best tirade: “Seventeen months after the referendum they say there can be no hard border but haven’t worked out how. They say they’ll protect workers rights, then vote against it. They say they’ll protect environmental rights, then vote against it. They promise action on tax avoidance but vote against it time and time again.” "

From the article, for those who never watched and don't want to read it.

Has Corbyn seen the light over Brexit? Polly Toynbee thinks he has. Let's hope so. It could be a real turning point for Brexit perhaps?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/23/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-tories-labour-eu

God job he doesn't have any influence in the country, isn't it.....

www.politico.eu/article/uk-disappointed-at-culture-of-capital-snub/

Not really surprised at this.

Shows how clever Murdoch is, then. Better not let him take over Sky altogether.

Not exactly regarding brexit but I read that Murdoch seems to be supporting Gove's leadership plans because Jerry Hall really likes him and thinks he 'really clever' .

This is going to annoy a few people.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/22/gibraltar-heading-for-abrupt-exit-from-single-market-says-spain

I expect much indignation.

Here's another way we could have a second referendum, Tegan.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/22/vote-leave-funding-democracy-electoral-commission

www.theguardian.com/law/2017/nov/21/rule-of-lawin-uk-at-risk-after-brexit-says-former-supreme-court-president

infacts.org/global-influence-outside-eu-just-look-icj-decision/

Losing our influence all over the world, not just in the EU.
India now has a judge on the UN ICJ, not the UK.
A direct result of Brexit.

jackofkent.com/2017/11/brexit-diary-a-reality-check-for-remainers/

We have until March 2019 to get the government of whichever persuasion to do the paperwork for us to remain, Tegan, according to JackofKent.

But isn't it better to be part of the EU and having a say in what happens in Europe than just watching from the sidelines, petra? The way we are going we shall have no influence on anything that happens in the world [other than probably having to agree with everything America says or does].

Arlene Foster is getting upset that the Irish border is being used as a bargaining chip.
What did she expect?
She is prepared to use DUP votes to blackmail the UK.

Tegan2
still, as long as it helps with our brexit negotiations, who cares
The point is, because of the situation in Germany Brussels doesn't know which way to turn. Germany says jump and Brussels asks, how high.
And please don't read any anti German feeling into that, I like Germans and Germany very much.
Macron is also fearful of his position in the eu now. Merkel was going to be his number one alie in pushing new reforms through in Europe.