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Get a Grip?

(19 Posts)
Anniebach Mon 13-Nov-17 10:07:55

Corbyns advice to May . Surely he meant get a support group like my Momentum, that will fix things for you, it worked for me when my first shadow cabinet resigned

lemongrove Mon 13-Nov-17 10:15:21

He is a fine one to talk about ‘getting a grip’ when his first shadow cabinet was a shambles and nobody wanted to work with him.It’s still a bit ‘half baked’ now when you look at who is on it!

Luckygirl Mon 13-Nov-17 11:08:59

But, if he does not get a grip, it barely matters; if May does not, then it matters a lot - our fate is in her hands.

lemongrove Mon 13-Nov-17 11:14:28

True, but a minister can be repaced ( and was ) and as for May getting a grip, how about the EU bureaucracy, it takes two to tango.
The Opposition always call for ministers to be sacked, it’s what they do.

lemongrove Mon 13-Nov-17 11:16:41

I don’t know that Fallon should have been replaced though
Probably for the best considering all the fall out.

Day6 Mon 13-Nov-17 11:41:24

"The Opposition always call for ministers to be sacked, it’s what they do."

Exactly lemon. It's the role of the opposition.

How about Corbyn speaks out on the suicide of Labour MP Carl Sergeant, unfairly denied details of his 'crimes'. Labour has been accused of failing in it's duty of care.

Why has Corbyn remained quiet when Labour MPs like Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins have preyed on women, making unwelcomed advances?

Sort your own house out first Corbyn!

He has a party in disarray and keenly divided only now those who openly criticised him a year ago have to smile at him through clenched teeth.

gillybob Mon 13-Nov-17 11:52:07

My question to Corbyn and his cronies would be;

Faced with the same referendum result what could you/would you have done differently? So easy to criticize from the wings isn't it?

My thoughts are that Corbyn is hoping that the whole Brexit thing implodes so he can stand back and gloat, hoping that he can be the saviour who makes it all go away.

lemongrove Mon 13-Nov-17 12:47:14

I greatly doubt that Corbyn could have done anything differently gilly except maybe cave in to the demands for extortionate amounts of money from the British taxpayers.

gillybob Mon 13-Nov-17 13:04:40

I would really like to hear an interview with JC about his thoughts/ideas for a smoother Brexit.

I agree that he really wouldn't have been able to do anything different lemon.

Morgana Mon 13-Nov-17 13:56:06

It seems like chaos all around, both Left and Right. Why do we seem so incapable of producing leaders these days? Although the same could be said of many other countries. We certainly need urgently to find people able to negotiate a deal with Europe. Was pleased to hear that business leaders went to No. 10 today.

Primrose65 Mon 13-Nov-17 14:24:06

It's very difficult to speculate on how JC & Co would handle negotiations and if they'd get a better deal as there's really not that much in the public domain where they've had to 'do a deal' except for their new Victoria HQ. Apart from the obvious - offshore landlords - it seems they really overpaid, which rather makes me think we should keep them well away from Brussels.

"Why spend millions on leasing prime London real estate in a newly furnished (and therefore more expensive) unit, when cheaper alternatives are readily available. Nearby Battersea or Vauxhall are two emerging areas that have fantastic travel links and are a short distance from Parliament, at a markedly cheaper price.

DealMakerz would also point to the differing strategies adopted by Labour and Conservatives on their HQ’s. The Tories signed a lease in 2014 for 12,000 sq ft at 4 Matthew Parker Street, SW1 – paying their new landlord Aviva about £35 per square foot. That equates to approximately £420,000 per year, the same square footage, in a better location, for half the price of Labours deal. "

MaizieD Mon 13-Nov-17 14:54:13

I'd just point out that had Labour been in power after the 2015 election

a) Ed Milliband would be PM

b) There would have been no farcical EU referendum as it was called by Cameron solely to shut up his right wingers and ward off the threat of UKIP.

gillybob Mon 13-Nov-17 15:10:26

Can I just make a teensy correction to your first point MazieD and say that it would be the unions in charge and not Ed Milliband .

Anniebach Mon 13-Nov-17 15:14:44

And the unions are in full charge now, McClusky has an office in labour hq building

trisher Mon 13-Nov-17 15:18:29

Personally I'd rather have a PM supported by the Unions than one who has tax dodgers with huge off-shore investments close to her.

MaizieD Mon 13-Nov-17 15:39:12

OMG It's Red Ed surfacing again!

I very much doubt that there are sufficient union members left in the UK to have much of an impact on the direction of a Labour government.

Anyway, I'll leave you all to your little lefty-hate fest. I meant to ignore it; I only had a look because trisher had posted.

Day6 Mon 13-Nov-17 16:08:39

'My thoughts are that Corbyn is hoping that the whole Brexit thing implodes so he can stand back and gloat.'

I agree gillybob

That's what remainers want too, it seems. It's strange that Corbyn has been so quiet about Brexit. He was renowned as a Eurosceptic, alongside Benn, union leader Bob Crow etc and several Socialist bodies.

He really should have mounted the left wing, socialist case against the EU but chose to cave in. Labour Leave has had to take up the fight.

It really is a left wing cause so why are so many Socialists keen to stay in the EU? Corbyn has sold out I feel.

gillybob Mon 13-Nov-17 16:44:46

Correct me MazieD but I was sure it was you who brought "red" Ed into it in the first place. confused

I stand by my remain vote btw but appreciate that the majority of the UK disagreed. JC staying very quiet about Brexit and keeping his real thoughts to himself for fear of upsetting his disciples .

M0nica Mon 13-Nov-17 16:53:07

Lets celebrate that there is real equality in politics. We now have an incompetent woman prime minister. This used to be a men only role.