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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 13:12:36

Twitter

Rifkind Hugo

“Hope somebody is keeping a note of all the bits the U.K. wants. “Regulatory alignment” with the EU.
So far I have Northern Ireland, Scotland, London, farmers, banks, universities, healthcare, Grimsby, Cornwall.”

suzied Mon 04-Dec-17 12:53:46

Loads of wealthy people have a “foundation” for tax avoidance purposes doesn’t mean Dyson , Branson et al are great philanthropists. I think Bill and Mrlinda Gates have been open about giving most of their fortune to charitable purposes.

MaizieD Mon 04-Dec-17 11:39:26

With regard to Dyson and Juncker it seems to me that there is an essential difference between them in that Dyson, as head of the company that he created, has an absolute say in what the company does whereas Juncker doesn't. He has to persuade the heads of government and the European parliament to go along with his ideas. Any one country can frustrate his plans by exercising their veto.

Juncker was not a popular choice for President of the Commission; he only got it, it seems, by some tricky political manoeuvring and the reluctance of other possible candidates to stand. This would indicate that he would find it hard to bend the EU members to his will.

In one of the first lectures of my politics degree we examined the question of 'Where does power lie in politics/government?', The conclusion was that it is difficult to pinpoint a single entity as exercising absolute power. While we were looking at this in respect of the UK government it applies equally to to such a large and diverse organisation such as the EU. It is unrealistic to believe that one man alone can exercise absolute power over it.

And, of course, the belief some people have that Juncker is 'Mr EU' is at odds with the belief that others hold that Merkel is the ultimate power in the EU. An illustration, perhaps, of the difficulty of pinpointing exactly where power does lie.

jura2 Mon 04-Dec-17 10:43:44

Ooops East Asia, sorry.

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 10:25:31

Dyson was condemned roundly not long ago by quite a few, even his products, so interesting to read there is a James Dyson Foundation.

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 10:22:55

probably for the best whitewave grin

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 10:21:11

It’s a bit like comparing chalk and cheese anyway. One is a politician, the other a businessman

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 10:20:18

I don’t think that I have ever mentioned Junker.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 04-Dec-17 10:15:53

Who said Dyson is the 'lowest of the low'. He is a businessman. Businesses are amoral and some leaders of those businesses become amoral too when it comes to putting the needs of the business before anything else.

jura2 Mon 04-Dec-17 10:14:05

No-one said he doesn't, and no-one assumed anything either - the FACTs are that he was very active in the pro Brexit campaign, and made it clear he was batting for England- and yet has trasferred both his production line and his innovation and research centre to East India. The hypocrisy is not hard to fathom.

petra Mon 04-Dec-17 10:07:23

I assume that all of you who think that James Dyson is the lowest of the low ( but not Juncker) are aware of the James Dyson foundation. He actually does some good unlike the above person mentioned in my post.

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 09:59:05

They are business men after all, and who knows what philanthropic things they do in private, or their charitable giving.There is too much assuming that you know everything about a person and their life on GN.

durhamjen Sun 03-Dec-17 23:12:57

Same as Branson.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 03-Dec-17 23:06:34

I can't take Dyson seriously. He is only interested in what is good for his own business as far as I can see.

durhamjen Sun 03-Dec-17 22:51:33

ukandeu.ac.uk/weak-but-stable-the-pm-is-nailed-to-her-perch/

petra Sun 03-Dec-17 22:14:10

durhamjen
And who set up the tax avoidance schemes in Luxembourg that allowed dyson to benefit: Jean Claude Juncker!
The leader of of the eu that you have so much faith in, the man that is going to benefit a whole continent.
The two don't go together, do they?

jura2 Sun 03-Dec-17 21:41:42

Dyson has not only transferred production to Malaysia- et has installed his research and innovation centre in Singapoure.

durhamjen Sun 03-Dec-17 21:40:47

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2006/12/04/im-rich-ill-pay-income-tax-at-014/

Sorry. Forgot to leave a space.

durhamjen Sun 03-Dec-17 21:39:37

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2006/12/04/im-rich-ill-pay-income-tax-at-014/I know this is 11 years old, but things haven't changed, have they?

whitewave Sun 03-Dec-17 21:33:47

He has buggered off now anyway

durhamjen Sun 03-Dec-17 21:32:25

"Vacuum and hand dryer firm Dyson set up companies in the Isle of Man and Luxembourg to pour £300m of internal loans into its UK operations in 2011. Interest payments made on those loans slashed Dyson’s UK tax bill and were instead taxed at only around 1% in Luxembourg, saving Dyson companies millions in tax."
Doesn't sound like it.

whitewave Sun 03-Dec-17 21:27:40

I rather thought it was the Duke of Westminster who was the biggest private recipient of EU farming subsidy. Obviously wrong.

MaizieD Sun 03-Dec-17 21:22:22

He is also the biggest private recipient of EU basic farming payment.

Agreed

Which he then invests back into this country...

How do you know?

jura2 Sun 03-Dec-17 20:48:58

ah diddums - just re-read my post - and he certainly did get the better of my English ;)

suzied Sun 03-Dec-17 20:31:17

He’s got several women to support hasn’t he?

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