I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

infacts.org/gove-plan-may-wrecked-northern-ireland-rocks/

It is said that Gove is the only one with a real plan - and he's no idea what to do about Ireland.
Gove taking over should be everyone's project fear.

Or should we save £50 bn euros and just abandon Brexit?

It could also mean that a deal over a mini customs union is possible which could solve the Irish border problem.
Is the Government softening its stance?
Or will the hard Brexiteers sabotage that?

Norway and Switzerland ( non EU countries) pay the EU so that they can be members of the European Aviation Safety Agency.
So this could be an interesting way of moving towards a Norway style relationship with the EU.
Better than a hard Brexit anyway?

We have just over a year to escape from this insanity. After that as the sun so famously said of Kinnick "would the last person leaving please switch out the lights"

Just did a search on the Aviation Safety Agency website. Not a single article on Brexit.
It's based in Germany, so must be under the ECJ.

Let's jettison brexit. There is no legal reason that Article 50 cannot be revoked even though members of the government have lied about that.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4txco_p41B0

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/citizens-rights-uk-eu-brexit-progress

Citizens rights seem to have been forgotten about in the border/money debacles.

Just read on twitter that the government want to stay in the Aviation safety agency. That’s interesting, isn’t it under the jurisdiction of the ECJ?

Yes, I saw that, whitewave.
Can't wait for the rest.
Actually, they are probably waiting for most of them as this month is going to be crunch time anyway.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/11/29/brexit-why-i-refuse-to-apply-for-british-citizenship

OpenBritain has published a Brexit advent calendar which will outline facts not known at the time we voted.

Day 1 - The UK economy has fallen from the fastest growing economy in the G7 to the slowest since the referendum.

Going back to the title - it is alive and well, tragically, because it is all proving to be true, and worse even, than expected.

We are left having to sell arms to the Saudis to survive- and accept terrible environmental, husbandry, social, work practices, animal testing, etc, etc- from places like USA and China - whilst at the same time losing our very influential position in reputable medical research bodies and organisation tragic, tragically alive and 'well' indeed.

Farminguk are reporting that if there is a hard Brxit, 90% of meat sales will be lost.

38% of those entitled to vote, but only about 26% of the population voted for brexit, but only some of these voted for a hard brexit. We need a vote when the terms are known. The choice should be between the deal and no deal where no deal means Stay In the EU.

Only a third of both houses voted for Brexit.

I think the national interest needs to be pushed to the fore as 38% of the total population voting for Brexit, hardly constitutes either the will of the people nor an informed vote, given what we have learned since the referendum, and still learning.

A couple of haikus on Brexit.

Post Brexit chaos
Then Cameron drops the ball
One more Eton mess.

Brexit, Trump, Turkey
The world needs a cold shower
Unreality.

Both by Graham Martin.

Are there any MPs with a legal background who voted for Brexit?
I can't think of any.

And it’s unsurprising that most of the lawyers and civil servants earning taxpayers money to sort it all out know it’s all a total mess.

Surely the Brexit department should employ lawyers? If only to keep Davis within the law?

Well the government legal department is employing lawyers and taking on a whole lot more , a bit of a technicality to say Brexit department don’t employ lawyers direct. My contact is a highly experienced lawyer but hasn’t been working for a while. She says there is a whole lot of work for lawyers as a result of Brexit and it will be going on for years. She is going to get a job in a department dealing directly with Brexit, whether this is the “official” Brexit department or called something else is a bit of a red herring.

Primrose, the real work hasn't started yet. After a year, all the paperwork that Davis could come up with this week was two ringbinder's worth to show to parliament.

Ignore the above post. I will copy it and put it on the Irish thread.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

She sounds really professional and knowledgeable.

"The Department for Exiting the European Union receives legal services from the Government Legal Department so has not directly employed any civil servants or secondees as specialist lawyers."
Parliament written question, July 2017

I think she may be winding you up.

I was talking to someone yesterday who is a lawyer in her 50s. She says there is lots of work going with the government Brexit department and was confident of getting a job there . She said it didn’t matter that she hadnt a clue about European law as noone else in the department did either! It also didn’t matter that she thought Brexit a disaster as everyone in the department did as well! It would be hilarious if it wasnt so serious. . Well at least the government is creating lots of well paid jobs for lawyers which they can boast about at the next employment figures.

...taking twice as long as now as they will have to stop at every border....