I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

lemon you are so predictable

There isn’t a God for politics ww that would be taking things too far!
I do see the point of democracy for Parliament, and thought it likely for them to vote this way.
I just hope that they vote properly and don’t mess about and delay things just for the hell of it.
Since both May and Corbyn want to get on with Brexit though, I think the few who do want to delay things will not get their way.

I expect you could primrose

You're easily pleased ww! I think the vote was embarrassing for TM but I cannot see that it significantly changes anything. I could be wrong though.

A day to remember - defeat for Trump and a triumph for the anti sleaze vote, and a defeat for government and a triumph for democracy.

It’s been a long time folks but there is a god after all!

Faisal Islam talking about the commons and the vote said that he has listened to the whole debate and he definately detects a change towards brexit, where even once hard nosed Brexiters are softening their stance.

If the Russians swung the Brexit vote by using Facebook to spread fake news, they did it all for just 75p!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-42342216

It would seem we had our vote WW - we only get the one and no one is allowed to change their mind on a non binding referendum voted on without true facts but just lies - some more blatant than others.

It is clear to me just how short term the Tories think.

Imagine what they will say when Labour gets in and uses these Henry VIII Powers they will be screaming blue murder.

I do hope that my parliamentary representative gets a final say on Brexit, the whole of Europe and their parliaments are getting a vote, so I can’t see why democracy should be any less in the U.K.?

The last report I saw stated they now thought it likely another 10K jobs would be lost in the City.
The fact that the UK may in effect become a tax haven may be the lure to entice companies to stay.

Whose indeed- the City and Financial Sector are being artificially kept relatively strong- waiting for the outcome.

I have friends and relatives who work at the most senior level of financial firms in the City - all the planning is being done behind closed doors- and everything is ready for the big move to Paris, Zurich and Geneva, and Frankfurt- preparations are being done at both ends.

Analysis shows that, far from shrinking, the City of London could be £43 billion stronger after the U.K. leaves the EU

The question is, whose analysis is this?

Day6 Brexit hasn't happened yet.

hear hear suzied

Just as well the finance sector isnt failing as it’s the part of our economy that keeps us afloat- “industrialisation and misguided economic policies have reduced to a level where Britain can neither pay its way, nor afford the defence and public services an advanced society needs. Everything in which we once were leaders – ships, railways, TV, great bridges, nuclear plants, bicycles, textiles, clothing, even Kit Kats – we now import.
We consume more than we produce, leading to an annual balance of payments deficit rising above 6% of GDP, financed by borrowing and selling companies, property and citizenship to survive. The result is a sluggish economy (a growing proportion of which is owned by foreigners); low productivity (because the manufacturing sector has shrunk to one-tenth of GDP); and static pay, as every sector except finance cuts costs to survive.” This is an apt quote in or out of the EU we are a low paid, low productivity economy only propped up by the financial sector and borrowing. This is what the government should be tacking , not making our problems worse by blaming the EU for their own past failings.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/12/we-aint-seen-nothing-yet/

It would seem that Project Fear was wrong about post Brexit London no longer being a centre of finance too.

Remainers warned there would be financial turmoil and an exodus to the European mainland. They got that wrong too.

Goldman Sachs are building their EU Headquarters in London, despite Brexit. London is a destination being considered as a centre for USA concerns too, given huge tax increases are set to hit the wealthiest in the American financial sector.

"If the tax changes currently being considered by Congress are introduced. I’m told by business leaders in New York that if this happens, many of their colleagues will look to relocate to other financial centres."

And what many will find surprising is that they’re considering London.

Analysis shows that, far from shrinking, the City of London could be £43 billion stronger after the U.K. leaves the EU

"And, contrary to claims, surveys have revealed that more than two-thirds of London’s financial services firms plan to recruit staff over the next 12 months.

Why? Because regardless of what Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein tweets, there are actually many reasons for a financial firm to base itself in London — and these factors won’t change anytime soon. Be it our sophisticated legal system or our highly educated workforce, it’s clear London owes its success to a variety of factors (which is why Goldman Sachs continues to build its new European HQ in London). "

The ridiculous thing is that the UK consumes much of the catch of the EU fishermen and the EU consumes most of the catch of UK fishing fleet.
At the moment the EU boats can dock in the UK and send their catch on lorries which are waiting straight to the ferries for transportation to the French ports.
This may well be news which has come since that statement from Deas as I read it a number of days ago.

"The countries such as Netherlands Germany etc etc have formed an Alliance and as a starter have stated that in order for the UK to sell the fish the UK fleet catches to the EU they must allow the UK waters to be open to the EU fishermen "

I dare say that "Alliance" will be a bone of contention.

From the Guardian
"Barrie Deas, chief executive of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations, said he understood why the EU would start negotiations with a “hard line” but that he believed there would be radical changes for the industry.

He said: “I understand where they are coming from. It’s quite a hard line to go into a negotiation and we are waiting to see what the UK’s position is. But the reality is that there is a huge imbalance in terms of other member states fishing in UK water.

“Around 85% of the current catch of the Danish fleet is in UK waters and 80% of the current catch of the fleet from Normandy. If we look at quota shares in Channel cod, the French have 84% and Britain has 9%.

“There will be change once we leave the European Union. I think the model is the bilateral agreement that Norway has with the EU. But things are going to change,” Deas said."

it will be great if these things are false news - but unlikely unfortunately.

At least this is one thread where the comments fit the title of the OP....ironic really.

Hoist with ....., Welshwife. I wonder what tariff they will put on it.

News about fishing from a French paper. The countries such as Netherlands Germany etc etc have formed an Alliance and as a starter have stated that in order for the UK to sell the fish the UK fleet catches to the EU they must allow the UK waters to be open to the EU fishermen - as they are now.

There rules too about flying to EU airports and non Eu airports. Of course the UK will have 3rd country airports which will make a difference.