I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

No Tegan they didn't state that a Leave vote meant voting ourselves out of the single market.
Farage specifically said we could vote Leave and still stay in the single market.
The Leave leaflet didn't mention single market or customs union at all. I put a link to that leaflet on a thread here the other day but can't find it quickly now. I'll have a hunt for it.

Can someone tell me if the leave campaign categorically stated that we would leave the single market/customs union. I keep hearing that it would be undemocratic to not leave them but I'm not sure that leave voters actually voted for it.

I agree with you about the need for people to understand Parliament etc Maizie. I found it all fascinating learning about all of it in history lessons - the last part of C19 is very interesting seeing how things developed.

I think it's because very few people understand how our parliamentary democracy works. They're not taught anything useful about it in school and they get the impression that an MP is a delegate (i.e votes according to the instructions of their electorate) rather than a representative who has to consider all shades of opinion and, most importantly, the good of the country as a whole.

There's nothing simple or straightfoward about running a country.

Maizie that is terrible. I'm glad the police have been informed.
Where did the idea come from that MPs have to do what their constituents tell them?

Day 11 of the advent calender

Food prices are growing at their fastest rate for 4 years.

Not important you may say, but think of those who are using food banks at the moment, and the poor, and food price rise is a disaster

And this is truly vile, a reader's comment from the Daily Mail:

twitter.com/DMReporter

You have to scroll down to the post made on 9th December (date is in top righthand corner of the tweet) This is what the Leave vote has unleashed.

Just for interest and relevant to the thread title, I think, as it turns the statement round.

Leavers' 'Project Fear' debunked (yet again) on twitter.

This is the original thread:

twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/939895502920933376

This is the thread minus extra comments:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/939895502920933376

Agree with those criticising Bernard Jenkins on QT. He made several statements that he must have known were untrue, was rude to other panel members, all typical of the man. he is my constituency MP and a bone idle one at that. He is one of those complacent MPs in a very safe seat, he does nothing, says nothing, never even opens a bloody fete. He lives in London and his constituency home ( actually not in his constituency) is rented from his sister in law. He is Brexit at any price, odd choice for an MP living in a constituency with major ports involved in import and export to EU countries. Why aren't these so called representatives ( of any party) called out when they contradict themselves, make obviously false statements?

There was a recent survey in Basingstoke where shoppers were asked if they were optimistic or pessimistic about the Brexit outcome. Reasons for being optimistic included: ”We are British. We got through the war”. Another one: ”There was a lot of scaremongering in the Referendum; they said lots of things were going to go wrong. But nothing has gone wrong, has it? We are still OK”.
No comment.

Good

This is interesting, as well.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/11/the-irish-are-at-last-smelling-the-coffee-when-it-comes-to-corporation-tax/

Ireland is at last realising that it can no longer be thought of as a tax haven, as it spoils its reputation.
It hopefully means that companies like Apple and Google will no longer say that all their UK business actually takes place in Ireland.

Yes interesting blog dj.
It seems that the Irish border problem might make this deal stick. No group wants to be responsible for risking the return of The Troubles to Northern Ireland.

Interesting piece Jen.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/10/by-suggesting-there-is-agreement-where-i-am-not-sure-any-such-thing-exists-mays-deal-may-be-very-dangerous-indeed/

It's funny how the Tories are always saying "I/we made it very clear....." about everything to do with Brexit - when it's all as clear as mud. David Davis manages to contradict himself constantly. I think he is confused about what he said just a few minutes ago.

Although I'm not sure Labour is very clear on Brexit either.

I thought Andrew Marr was going to trip him up today, but he's too full of bluster to work out what he is saying/meaning despite saying that he wants to be clear. Clear obfuscation - is that possible?

Davis lied today as well. Why on earth doesn’t someone challenge them it is absolutely disgraceful.

When I watched Question Time, whitewave, I was just hoping that someone would just tell Bernard Jenkin to shut up. Talk about entitlement.

Like some people keep saying 'you lost, get over it'....

.....and will you be saying it until March 2019?

Is there any particular reason why you keep repeating the mantra *eyes and ears wide open’ ww?

infacts.org/exactly-canada-style-deal/

Isn't eyes and ears wide open Gove's favourite look?

£50 billion is about 5 years of EU membership contributions and we will still be paying for access to agencies we want to stay with. I'm not sure what the Sunday Times is calling a small part of Government expenditure; how many years are they seeing us paying out for, I wonder? But our current contributions are less than 2% of national expenditure, also a small part. It's mad.

Wouldn’t work anyway as we can’t have a hard border with Ireland.