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Trump plumbs new depths

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maryeliza54 Tue 28-Nov-17 07:55:07

I know, it hardly seems possible does it but here you go.

www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/us/politics/trump-elizabeth-warren-pocahontas-navajo.html

Not only is it another racist comment about Elizabeth Warren but to do it at an event honouring Navajo veterans would beggars belief (if it weren’t Trump that is).

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 23:32:35

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-when-democrats-al-green-house-latest-a8085851.html
Impeachment to happen next week. Responsible for alt-right hatred.

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 22:40:22

On the Last Leg, it has been suggested that we invite him here and then arrest him for incitement to hatred.
Then when they ask for him back we refuse, lock him up and forget where he is.

maryeliza54 Fri 01-Dec-17 22:17:40

I don’t care if God himself had invited DT - it wouldn’t be right.

whitewave Fri 01-Dec-17 21:01:37

No I don’t! The question is “would the republicans vote for impeachment”, and I can see no reason why they will.

The world is stuck with him

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Dec-17 20:32:52

Do you think the end is in sight?

Or is he made of teflon?

GracesGranMK2 Fri 01-Dec-17 20:31:54

I should have said Michael Flynn in my post above. I am not (thankfully) on first name terms with him!

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Dec-17 20:25:31

As for China - not just us but the world is listening to China.

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Dec-17 20:24:24

I don't know POGS

confused a bit jura2 - if TM invited Trump that is wrong, but, as POGS has stated, Merkel and Macron inviting Trump passes without comment.

Why are we grovelling - having put the visit on hold - but they, having already enjoyed Trump's visit, are not?

Unfortunately, Macron's and Merkel's approval ratings are lower than Trump's - why?
Because people are not happy with the status quo and he is offering hope - probably false hope but some are listening.

jura2 Fri 01-Dec-17 20:10:22

So brexit puts us in such a weak and wobbly position in the world that we will have to grovel to the DUP and Trump, China and Saudi Arabia, and a few more - to survive sad tragic for sure.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 01-Dec-17 20:05:02

It appears Trumps troubles may just be beginning with Michael pleading guilty to lying to the FBI. He had already stopped speaking to Trump's legal team.

POGS Fri 01-Dec-17 19:46:40

Fennel

Reading your post @ 15.17 anybody would think Merkel and Macron had not invited Trump to their countries , very confusing.

It is not a case of who 'likes' Trump it is a case that Trump has visited the likes of Germany and France at the request of Merkel and Macron but when it comes to May she is viewed with contempt for doing the same.

Why?

GracesGranMK2 Fri 01-Dec-17 18:10:20

Do you think we could borrow Yanis Varoufakis Jura? He does speak a lot of sense as politicians go.

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 18:05:47

infacts.org/trump-visit-would-fire-up-anti-brexit-movement-bring-it-on/

Here's a good idea.

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 16:23:36

"What about the historic 'special relationship' between the UK and the US? While there are undoubtedly close links between the two countries at the personal level and between intelligence services, history (Suez, Grenada, the Iraq war) suggests that at government level, the ‘special relationship’ is more like an unrequited crush: the relationship between a devoted fan and an indifferent star. In the Trump era, in light of his tweets, a better analogy might now be the relationship between a helpless lamppost and a passing dog. And for those who think Brexit and Trump are blows against the 'elite': remember that the US/UK special relationship is about as ‘anti-establishment’ as Marie Antoinette.

So there's no good reason to suppose that the UK will receive any sort of special treatment from Trump. Rather, the last day’s ranting has confirmed what Trump had already demonstrated time and again: he is no friend or ally of the United Kingdom. Angrily tweeting his incoherent, hateful thoughts from his golden toilet, his only interest in the UK is how soon and how much he can grab us by the country.

The alternative course is clear: making our first priority a close relationship with the EU – either as a former member or by retaining membership – alongside an increased commitment to multilateral institutions, regardless of Trump's views of them. In Britain’s past, we may have been the Greece to America's Rome; but there is no future in being the Sansa Stark to Trump’s Ramsay Bolton."

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 15:43:09

The Avaaz petition has over 5 million 1 hundred thousand votes now, so a lot of people want to stop him. There is also another to twitter to ask them to close his account.

whitewave Fri 01-Dec-17 15:37:43

The Telegraph is reporting that his visit proposed for January is cancelled.

humptydumpty Fri 01-Dec-17 15:27:25

Is DT really not coming? I can't find a mention of it on the BBC news website...

Fennel Fri 01-Dec-17 15:17:06

"Why are Merkel, Macron et al not viewed in the same light as Theresa May?"
The french have made no bones about the fact that they can't stand him. You should have heard the debate on France 24 last night. Germany has no need to kowtow, they're economically stable.
Trump knows that the UK needs the USA so he doesn't need to make an effort.
He's not so daft when it comes to business.

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:40:47

Whether he does or not, the government here does.One day, sooner or later, he will be gone and we will be dealing with another President,but soured relations will linger on if we aren’t careful.

MaizieD Fri 01-Dec-17 14:39:16

Aplogies MaizieD But your comments make you rather interchangeable.

Well, great minds do think alike, you know...

MaizieD Fri 01-Dec-17 14:38:27

So, as Leavers were quite prepared to say 'stuff ruining the UK economy' I'm perfectly prepared to say 'stuff diplomacy' in this instance

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:38:03

Aplogies MaizieD But your comments make you rather interchangeable.

MaizieD Fri 01-Dec-17 14:37:07

And I don't think Trump understands the meaning of 'diplomacy'

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:36:58

You have to forget ‘the man’ hard though it is, and accept the President and his office rather, instead.We have a close relationship with the US and must maintain it.

MaizieD Fri 01-Dec-17 14:36:14

Oooh! I've morphed into trisher grin