Attractive women must sometimes take the blame?

I’m sure you can’t help being ‘obtuse’ the important thing is to keep an open mind and not just accept the current theory floating around. You said in your post that ‘there is evidence that serial rapists rape for power’ - I’m asking for evidence to support that statement which you’ve obviously forgotten you posted.

My post is not muddled I’m saying rape is not all about power. What part of that don’t you get?

Just been listening to the BBC news about the increase in sexual assaults and rapes carried out by under 10s, that is primary school pupils. Increased from about 200 to over 400 in a couple of years. Little girls being raped by class mates. It’s almost unbelievable.

Right so you wanted evidence that serial rapists rape for power- I’ll try and find the link to the research. You didn’t make that clear when you asked for evidence. Your last post has explained more clearly what you meant. I don’t think all rape is about power either but I think much is. I don’t think that’s a recent theory either - it’s been around for a long time

What I actually posted was that I think there is research that serial rapists rape for power - I had a half remembered idea about this and it was on the right lines. For at least 20 years a body of research on serial rapists has been developing, mostly American. There is now what seems to be an agreed 3 fold classification of serial rapists - the power rapist, the angry rapist and the sadistic rapist . The latter is the rarest. I don’t know the respective proportions of the first two but what does seem to be accepted by respected researchers criminologists, psychologists etc ( not feminists) that power is a distinct type of serial rapist and the motivating factor.

No you didn’t - what you actually posted was
‘I think there is evidence that serial rapists rape for power..’

The emphasis is mine to focus your attention on the actual word used.

I’m waiting for this evidence, not more psychological theories.

I misquoted myself but either way evidence comes from research. The 3 types of serial rapists concept came from research done (including interviews with rapists) which was the evidence base for the typology

There are probably a (thankfully small number) of rapists who would almost rape indiscriminately.

The question raised by Angela Lansbury (who was certainly considered very attractive in her youth) is, I think, not about young women dressing to look attractive, but dressing in an overtly sexy way.

I think we could all recognise the difference between a pretty girl, dressed attractively and a girl dressed in a very sexy flamboyant way. I would not be happy to see my daughter or grand-daughter going out in an overtly sexy "come and get me" outfit, which sends out certain signals.

If a woman is attacked or raped it is the fault of the attacker but girls and women need to safeguard themselves.

We should bring up our sons to respect women and our daughters to respect themselves and be aware of the dangers of irresponsible dress and behaviour.

Yet look at ‘red carpet’ dresses - always plastered all over the various forms of media - a great many of them are very overtly ‘sexy’ - we do send very confusing messages to our young women don’t we?

And to our young men, presumably? Possibly to older men too.

I sometimes worry about the young women that I see on a Saturday night in Durham and Newcastle. . They are dressed up to the nines in very little. I'm convinced they are dressing for their female peer group but I'm not sure what the young lads think. I do wonder if the young are a bit naive. Or perhaps I am.

Exactly * MissAdventure*.

Re Saturday nights in Durham and Newcastle - we have NO idea what the rapre statistics are, We just don’t know enough to judge. There may be a lot of casual consensual sex that we don’t like or rape - who knows?

I remember in the late 60's wearing dresses and tiny skirts that hardly covered my bum,my lovely dad used to tell me I'd get arrested for indecent exposure.My mum always stood up for me though her attitude was its the fashion and you'd be as well dead as out of fashion when your young.She loved fashion all her life.We cant stop young women and not so young women from enjoying dressing up...just because SOME men cant control themselves .Young mens attitudes are the problem a lot of the time ,you see it every day online,the rise of porn use hasn't helped it gives men unrealistic expectations about how women behave and about how they should look /dress AND about sex

I think alcohol and other drugs must take some a good deal of the blame.

"Alcohol is reliably related to sexual assault and plenty of swinish behavior." Bo Winegard

Although, as always, ultimate blame lies with the individual wrongdoers.

I wouldn't imagine that in under age rapes and assualts alcohol was involved...but watching unsuitable video and TV might have an influence

The last figures I could find were 2015 - 2016 when there were 11,947 child rapes recorded. We can't blame the victims in these cases. The perpetrators are absolutely to blame.

Women often do the very things we warn our children never to do. Get into cars with strangers, for example
It doesn't in any way excuse sex crimes, or any others, but we need to look after ourselves as well as we look after our children.

To say that a woman dressing provocatively invites rape is like saying that a pensioner fumbling with bank notes at a cash dispenser is asking to be robbed.
They may both be making it easier for the criminal involved, but that does not remove the burden of guilt from that criminal, whilst the victim remains blameless.
They have not committed a crime, though they may have been a little unwise.

I agree sluttygran. Most men are not potential rapists and don't suddenly turn into one because a woman is drunk or dressed provocatively. We are insulting decent guys if we assume this.

Friday I think you were being unreasonably rude to
Mary Liza
It is not about a burden of blame , it's about being realistic & taking appropriate measures to minimise potential dangers. We do all of our young people a disservice if they grow up believing that they (male & female) can behave , dress drink as they like etc etc without being aware that evil people will use this to justify their actions. It's not right, but neither is it right to pretend that it is not part of a problem in society.

And I think our so called celebrities etc do woman a disservice,& did sufferagtttes really die so our young people can have the right to drink & under dress without being aware of their own vulnerability.

BTW I do not know if Easybee is male or female, but this comment on another thread really shocked me:

'Oh, I would think Anna Soubry has another agenda entirely. The lashings of heavy eye makeup, bouffant hair and inappropriate clothing (scarlet pixie boots and black lacy tops) suggest she is heading for Strictly,

I wonder why some women feel the need to dress in such an overtly sexual manner. We often watch First Dates and there is often some young woman with her boobs hanging out saying 'men only want me for my body.'!

I thought it was just me with that opinion. Such beautiful young women, and they look like they're going pole dancing! It really makes me feel like an old fart, but well..

What on Earth are you talking about Bridgeit ? I haven’t the foggiest idea where you are coming from I haven’t been the least bit rude to maryeliza never mind being ‘unreasonably rude’.