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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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nigglynellie Mon 25-Dec-17 17:11:49

From Rome to the USSR, empires have only ever ended one way. Pray God that we are not part of the EU when it finally does exactly the same.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 24-Dec-17 22:55:09

We may yet choose to do so niggly. Remember no vote is finite in a democracy, we could still change our minds.

nigglynellie Sun 24-Dec-17 21:56:56

As we will now not become part of a future federal state of Europe run by Brussels I for one feel a great sense of relief.

jura2 Sun 24-Dec-17 19:21:06

www.facebook.com/PeoplesMomentum/videos/553474801664578/

he explains that well. Your Brexit is not quite the same as theirs ... somehow sad

suzied Sun 24-Dec-17 19:17:29

Whoever I vote for it certainly won’t be for the current bunch.

jura2 Sun 24-Dec-17 19:11:16

The loss of competence hides something much much worse.

Tegan2 Sun 24-Dec-17 19:01:15

I really don't understand that argument given that we did have a say in the future of Europe and now we will have no say whatsoever confused.

nigglynellie Sun 24-Dec-17 17:00:36

Who knows what sort of government there will be in Brussels running us all in twenty/thirty/fifty years time? A benign government fine, an aggressive government with no chance of changing it, be it right or left, could be very unfine and we could well be thankful not to be part of it.

Tegan2 Sun 24-Dec-17 16:49:25

I would assume I'll be long gone by the time the mess that is brexit is sorted out and would have liked the latter part of my life to have a certain amount of certainty to it. Playing Russian roulette with peoples lives isn't a good idea [imo].

varian Sun 24-Dec-17 15:36:29

Unless of course that we have the good sense to stay in the EU and forget about the whole brexit nightmare.

nigglynellie Sun 24-Dec-17 15:27:18

No one can know what the future holds either here or in any other country or what governments will be in power. People may well say that Brexit is the best thing this country has done or the worse, only time will tell as no one has the crystal ball.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 24-Dec-17 15:21:37

No Bridgeit, it is not always just about opinions, some are based on facts. I don't see any facts backing any of your opinions but there is time. You could try it.

Eloethan Sun 24-Dec-17 15:05:28

If you wish to see the UK continuing to sink into further decline - with under-funded health, education and housing services, and the proliferation of profit-motivated organisations that will do everything possible to pay themselves more money - then by all means continue to vote for a party that represents this, i.e. the Conservatives.

In my view, under-investing in all these services and in the general infrastructure of the country is a recipe for disaster as we get left further and further behind more progressive countries that actually look after their citizens and protect the services which keep them healthy, happy and motivated to play their part in society.

Bridgeit Sun 24-Dec-17 14:24:46

Quite right GracesGranMK2, these are the opinions of each & every one of us posting on here .Yep it's all about opinions, but good to have that pointed out instead of? well an opinion !

GracesGranMK2 Sun 24-Dec-17 13:30:49

Sad to say no matter which party you support , their promises are unsustainable ...

That is just your opinions Bridgeit and niggly. I, for one, think that what the official LP has offered is quite attainable and sustainable. After all other countries manage what they have put forward and more - why do you think our country couldn't?

jura2 Sun 24-Dec-17 12:31:38

I so agree with you DJ, but Corbyn won't either. So where does that leave us?

Posted on another thread too:

I'd love a fiver for every time I've heard Corbyn supporters saying that he's playing the long game, keeping his powder dry, playing his cards close to his chest and not disturbing an enemy while he's cocking things up! What I'd like to know is how long does a 'Long Game' have to go on before it turns into the 'Too Late Game'.

jura2 Sun 24-Dec-17 12:30:33

and me too suzie and Tegan2 - it feels really awful and desperate.

Tegan2 Sun 24-Dec-17 12:24:24

suzie; that's where I am at the moment, too. Have never before felt unrepresented in so many ways.

durhamjen Sun 24-Dec-17 11:51:25

The obvious place for everybody to work together is over Brexit, but May won't have it.
She won't even work with her own cabinet, the people that she chose.

durhamjen Sun 24-Dec-17 11:49:13

Has anybody actually looked at the votesmatter link I put on?

You all complain about not wanting who you can vote for, but ignore the way to change things.
Some people just like complaining too much.

Jalima1108 Sun 24-Dec-17 11:42:01

We do need a change of direction trisher but as far as I am concerned Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum is not the answer.

There are a lot of sensible politicians in the Labour Party who are not being heard.

Jalima1108 Sun 24-Dec-17 11:40:45

but for goodness sake stop pretending and sitting on the bloody fence. It's been tried, it doesn't work
hmm

That reminded me of that poster:

Labour isn't working

trisher Sun 24-Dec-17 11:36:11

It astonishes me that people think there could be some sort of a coalition that would resolve all the issues. Did they somehow sleep through the Clegg/Cameron fiasco or are they suffering from memory problems? A coalition was just a way for the right wing of the Conservative party to get its foot in the door and allthe ills we are now suffering can be laid at its door. Either admit that the policies of this government are wrong and we need a complete change of direction or admit you don't really care about the poor and vulnerable, but for goodness sake stop pretending and sitting on the bloody fence. It's been tried, it doesn't work.

Jalima1108 Sun 24-Dec-17 11:06:23

I am lost too.

Although I have heard people say that they voted to get a party out rather than because they wanted the other party to get in - they just felt that whichever one was in power was 'going too far' and needed reining back.

suzied Sun 24-Dec-17 10:54:41

Many people feel they don't have a party they can vote for, me for one.

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