Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

From Rome to the USSR, empires have only ever ended one way. Pray God that we are not part of the EU when it finally does exactly the same.

We may yet choose to do so niggly. Remember no vote is finite in a democracy, we could still change our minds.

As we will now not become part of a future federal state of Europe run by Brussels I for one feel a great sense of relief.

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he explains that well. Your Brexit is not quite the same as theirs ... somehow

Whoever I vote for it certainly won’t be for the current bunch.

The loss of competence hides something much much worse.

I really don't understand that argument given that we did have a say in the future of Europe and now we will have no say whatsoever .

Who knows what sort of government there will be in Brussels running us all in twenty/thirty/fifty years time? A benign government fine, an aggressive government with no chance of changing it, be it right or left, could be very unfine and we could well be thankful not to be part of it.

I would assume I'll be long gone by the time the mess that is brexit is sorted out and would have liked the latter part of my life to have a certain amount of certainty to it. Playing Russian roulette with peoples lives isn't a good idea [imo].

Unless of course that we have the good sense to stay in the EU and forget about the whole brexit nightmare.

No one can know what the future holds either here or in any other country or what governments will be in power. People may well say that Brexit is the best thing this country has done or the worse, only time will tell as no one has the crystal ball.

No Bridgeit, it is not always just about opinions, some are based on facts. I don't see any facts backing any of your opinions but there is time. You could try it.

If you wish to see the UK continuing to sink into further decline - with under-funded health, education and housing services, and the proliferation of profit-motivated organisations that will do everything possible to pay themselves more money - then by all means continue to vote for a party that represents this, i.e. the Conservatives.

In my view, under-investing in all these services and in the general infrastructure of the country is a recipe for disaster as we get left further and further behind more progressive countries that actually look after their citizens and protect the services which keep them healthy, happy and motivated to play their part in society.

Quite right GracesGranMK2, these are the opinions of each & every one of us posting on here .Yep it's all about opinions, but good to have that pointed out instead of? well an opinion !

Sad to say no matter which party you support , their promises are unsustainable ...

That is just your opinions Bridgeit and niggly. I, for one, think that what the official LP has offered is quite attainable and sustainable. After all other countries manage what they have put forward and more - why do you think our country couldn't?

I so agree with you DJ, but Corbyn won't either. So where does that leave us?

Posted on another thread too:

I'd love a fiver for every time I've heard Corbyn supporters saying that he's playing the long game, keeping his powder dry, playing his cards close to his chest and not disturbing an enemy while he's cocking things up! What I'd like to know is how long does a 'Long Game' have to go on before it turns into the 'Too Late Game'.

and me too suzie and Tegan2 - it feels really awful and desperate.

suzie; that's where I am at the moment, too. Have never before felt unrepresented in so many ways.

The obvious place for everybody to work together is over Brexit, but May won't have it.
She won't even work with her own cabinet, the people that she chose.

Has anybody actually looked at the votesmatter link I put on?

You all complain about not wanting who you can vote for, but ignore the way to change things.
Some people just like complaining too much.

We do need a change of direction trisher but as far as I am concerned Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum is not the answer.

There are a lot of sensible politicians in the Labour Party who are not being heard.

but for goodness sake stop pretending and sitting on the bloody fence. It's been tried, it doesn't work


That reminded me of that poster:

Labour isn't working

It astonishes me that people think there could be some sort of a coalition that would resolve all the issues. Did they somehow sleep through the Clegg/Cameron fiasco or are they suffering from memory problems? A coalition was just a way for the right wing of the Conservative party to get its foot in the door and allthe ills we are now suffering can be laid at its door. Either admit that the policies of this government are wrong and we need a complete change of direction or admit you don't really care about the poor and vulnerable, but for goodness sake stop pretending and sitting on the bloody fence. It's been tried, it doesn't work.

I am lost too.

Although I have heard people say that they voted to get a party out rather than because they wanted the other party to get in - they just felt that whichever one was in power was 'going too far' and needed reining back.

Many people feel they don't have a party they can vote for, me for one.