58 Brexit Impact Studies

Radicalnan: ”^we've been raped and pilaged and paid for the priviledge^”.

Are you referring to the Vikings?

Commenting about lies and political incompetence is now “hysteria”. It seems the most rabid, intolerant frothing at the mouth hysterical comments I’ve seen have been from Leavers who care nothing for the truth at least that’s what they are now saying.

And Petra, I certainly do feel sick when I visit a leave site and I read the most disgusting comments made by some. And if a leaver complains about the nastiness, they turn on them. The violence and language is quite frightening for some, so maybe you are right, but you should not be proud of the fact that there are people out there threatening and intimidating people who are now too scared to speak up.

Auf Wiedersehen Pet indeed - not long ago.

It is amazing how some people are totally devoid of empathy.

If your income is dropping so fast that your whole life may be turned upside down (as will be the case for 1000s of UK immigrants in Spain and France, and rest of EU) - if your family is at risk of being split - I wonder how many would not have sleepless nights ?!?

I truely wish I could give up. I am beginning to think that the hard line leavers would agree to anything the government does no matter what as long as we left. You say that 70 years of peace is worthless because we were raped and pillaged by Europe for 70 years instead. In the 70s we were in a bad way compared to Europe. Remember when it was our builders etc going to Holland and Germany to work. We have prospered since we joined, and we were not considered one of the minor countries, in fact a lot of the regulations were brought forward by the UK. the EU is not perfect, but maybe if we had more dedicated MEPs who turned up unlike Farage, we would have been even more influential. I am really getting fed up with the continued unresearched soundbites of the lies peddled about such things as unelected, lost soverignty etc etc. If I want to discuss anything, I am happy to learn things that I did not know that may change my mind, but not one leaver has even attempted to do that. And being concerned about changes is not being hysterical, unlike the hysteria shown by leavers when a second referendum is mentioned now that we know a bit more. If it is still the will of the people why are they worried. According to media most people who voted stay now want to leave, so what are they scared of.

www.theweek.co.uk/advertisement-feature/90140/what-will-happen-to-uk-imports-and-exports-after-brexit

At least some businesses have thought about the future, obviously realising they could not rely on the government.

I won't reploy to Petra or so-called (!?! indeed) radicalnan- but I truly don't think I could remain polite.

What a strange choice of name, radicalnan.
You don't sound at all radical to me, if I may say so.

radicalnan
Brilliantly put. All this feeling sick, sleepless nights is beyond comprehension.

So we shouldn’t demand honesty and openness from our politicians ? Obviously not from the Brexiteers perspective, our politicians all lie but that’s ok only if they are not foreign ones when we can accuse them of rape and pillage.

I haven’t noticed any rape or pillage. What was that about hysteria?
Oh and lying is ok because that’s what always happens? Really?

Stop behaving like hysterical school girls

I'm afraid I'm seeing more hysteria from Leavers than from Remainers.

70 tears (sic)of peace in Euope, hardly we've been raped and pilaged and paid for the priviledge.

Is this what Leavers regard as calm and rational appraisal..?

Anyone would think from reading the guff on here, that there was a time when no evasion or lies existed in politics. You have very short memories if you think that. If the government goes then what, that wily old lying marxist???

Stop behaving like hysterical school girls and know politicis for the dirty game it is. It is not about governing well it is about knocking the opposition out of the picture.

There are no reports or pieces of paper that can put your minds at rest, remember 'peace in our time?'

Hoping that the government will fall is not going to resolve the issues. Referendum repeats, like they had in Ireland until the 'right result' appeared, would that make you feel safer in your beds?

70 tears of peace in Euope, hardly we've been raped and pilaged and paid for the priviledge. There has been war.

Federal europe by 2025?????

Be careful what you wish for.

Primrose the problem is that the Government have been resisting releasing the sector analyses to anyone. Gina Miller took them to court and Keir Starmer pushed for them to be released in parliament and got agreement. Then they dragged their feet and eventually said that the documents were available in a particular room which held only a few MPs/Lords at a time. David Davis has not bothered to read them apparently. But once a few MPs had read them the proverbial hit the fan and DD was summoned to the Committee. Now they are saying that the 800 pages consist of papers which detail how the laws and regulations will be affected in these different sectors. Important stuff. But what I would understand by an impact assessment is what effect brexit might have on each of these sectors.
e.g. Health: an analysis might reveal that there are issues around he licensing of medicines and medical devices. If we wanted to sell something like artificial heart valves to EU we would have to have them approved by EU agency but no reps from UK would sit on the approval panel. Impact assessment might be - the Medicines Agency - housed in a big office in central London, might relocate, taking its jobs and the spending power of its staff, off to another EU city. (This one has already effectively happened) Thus losing £XXmillion from the London economy and £million tax to the exchequer. Or that our heart valves (e.g. improved model 2021) might take longer to get to market in the EU and might therefore lose market share to an Italian company. There must be thousands of examples of impacts across everything from Universities recruiting best staff to the size of holes in fishing nets. So I think DD is probably not lying but is just hell bent on achieving the hardest of brexits and believing that the bull at a gate method could work. It was presumably him who sent the PM off to Brussels this week to shake hands, having assured her that sufficient progress on Ireland was in the bag. Just hoping that nobody would notice that it was not, that hands would be shaken and he'd get away with it, so that trade talks could start. (only explanation i can think of - nobody sends their PM to do the formal hand shaking until the deal is really done normally, do they)

A million extra people every year coming into the UK?
I think you invented that figure, quizqueen, just like Davis invented the impact studies.
Or did he?
That's something else he said he was going through line by line.
That's one of his favourite phrases, to lull leavers into a false sense of security.

A bit of (slightly lighter) relief

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqKh1jc7Hls

Its no point saying financial forecasts are useless after you have promised them and lied about their existence. It like my dog ate my homework, when you haven't done the homework and you don't even have a dog.

It's interesting that only 16 MPs seem to have made the effort to read the analysis supplied.
Much easier to stir the pot than make a little effort and engage a brain cell.

The facts are enlightening. There just is not the time or the number of civil servants needed to provide all that work. It is my belief that all of them have been back peddling in the hope that agreements would be made which would obviate any need for assessments. The disastrous Mrs May should go simply because she is demonstrably not up to the job.

The whole sorry lot of this Government are kidding us they have found the answer to steering a rudderless supertanker!
It's easy just let it run aground...that stops it dead! What a total sorry mess this lot have dished up. Their place in history is assured as the Men & Women who failed on an epic level to extract our country from the grasping greedy hands of the Eurocrats. Their only way out of this "painted in" corner is a hard Brexit where some credibility (not much) might be recoverable. It's a very sad indictment on our useless politicians that when asked to implement the peoples will they make a complete has of it...so maybe Europe will see a way to bumping the exit bill up to £100 billion. They must be laughing up their sleeves at our incompetence to do anything remotely clever and as for our negotiation skills...! I see a General Election coming early in the new year and the man on the Clapham Omnibus left with no sensible party to vote for. The end of Democracy awaits and once that threshold has been crossed just you watch all the extreme radicals come out of the woodwork.....they will destroy everything built up over 1000's of years, the essence of this United Kingdom and they will feed our souls one by one to the Devil....and you know...we will only have ourselves to blame for not getting to grips and making this government more accountable to the people! It really does SUCK!

Irrelevant here is about LYING and being in contempt of the public, the House and our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy.

Remind me the last time a financial forcast of any kind proved to be the slightest bit of use?

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=309027699503581&set=gm.2437250223166922&type=3

Listen to him again, and again. He himself said the impact assessments were essential, and that they exist in excruciating detail:

www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics/videos/2045258982157616/

Sarahhellen, The suffragettes did not have Facebook either, but when needs must you must scream. In March 150,000 marched in London, however BBC decided not to cover it, bar a tiny mention. It had more coverage in China. However when Catalonians marched to say they wanted to remain part of Spain, it was all over the news. Don't you find that a bit strange? Epathy is the biggest threat for anything, so I will keep shouting no matter what. Not even for the financial benefits of being in the EU, but the fact there has been peace in Europe for 70 years.