Being right more important than what's right.

I'm still waiting to hear where MinniesMum used "pejorative language". Anyone enlighten me?

Can only say' Hear Hear'
Another 'brain-dead' graduate

I hardly dare to enter this discussion as i continue to be a passionate REMAINER...
but i do accept a slim minority of voters voted to leave the EU...(but under what terms nobody knew then nor knows now...)

I do not consider myself anti democratic but rather pragmatic...
during these incompetent and chaotic negotiations we are beginning to glimpse the future for Britain outside the EU ... AND IT AIN'T GOOD...
If it is anti democratic to say... hold on... THIS is NOT in the country's best interests ... then fine... I'll be a proud anti democrat ...
If by saying hold on... let's see what is finally negotiated THEN make the final decision I'd agree...
Let the electorate or the MP's vote on LEAVE or REMAIN based on reality and genuine facts. With BS and lies being prosecuted... eg. the £350 million back each month for the NHS... taking back control... send them back where they came from... and other such tosh...

At last rusheylee is someone who can remember what we voted for all those years ago! Many posters probably are too young to remember what Heath promised then landed us with against the promise. I do not want to argue this point for about the millionth time as i have done over many years following. We did not get what we voted for then just as we will not this time so can we all please stop argueing over this as we cannot make any difference now. Lets just enjoy Christmas & see what the New Year brings please?

With regard to us brexiteers undermining our future generations futures, that was done the day we ENTERED the Common Market. It was the worst thing Edward Heath ever did, though mostly he was a good PM for the working class.

Where did MinniesMum use pejorative language?

As a Scot, living in Scotland, I'd just like to point out that our referendum vote showed a higher percentage against Brexit than the UK vote in favour (of Brexit).

Brexit, like Mr Trump's presidency, seems to have legitimised nastiness.......... on both sides......as illustrated on this thread. This does not bode well for the future of our children or the human race in general.

Sorry, MinniesMum, but using pejorative language like that will rebound on the poster and her credibility.
Did you not realise that?

paddyann

Using pejorative language to try to demean and belittle others quite often rebounds on the poster and his/her credibility.
We are the second largest net payer into the EU and for what precisely? We have very little say over how that money is spent and as for their plans for “ever closer union” thanks but no thanks. I prefer our country, our laws and perhaps using the money we shovel into the EU to educate our children properly so that they can spell bigoted for example.
I am not opposed to immigration as we will always need immigrants – let’s face it, we always have, but freedom of movement is being abused. We do not need Eastern European thieves/rapists/sheep rustlers etc and we do need to be able to remove these people asap once they offend. Freedom of movement makes that difficult.
The entire EU edifice is based on what Germany wants. Sadly what Germany wants, Germany will have, with the other countries just being given enough of a bribe to assure Qualified Majority Voting in Germany’s favour.
Yours sincerely
Brain dead bigot
BA (Hons)
Former member of Gransnet

BTW I'm still eagerly awaiting the evidence that our sovereign parliament approved the promise in the government Remain leaflet to 'implement what you decide'.

MOnica.
Small in your eyes but never the less enough.
That is what mattered.

^ vested interests can only have influenced opinion marginally as most people have their lived experience as a guide.^

That's a problematic statement in itself, radicalnan. Whenever a Leaver is asked what the EU has done to harm them they don't have an answer. It's puzzling as to where this deep and visceral hatred for an institution which has never harmed them has come from.

Lol if remoaners like me didn't remoan there would be a huge silent elephant in the room. EU topic has always been hugely divisive whether going in, staying in, coming out or staying out it's always been a HOT topic and probably always will be. Best just to not take it personally or get annoyed.

Well said dbD!

Sorry, not resort to playground insults

I am disgusted by the tone of some of these comments on here, its a disgrace, I know that many of you have not joined in, but there are some of you who need to mind your manners, I would have hoped that Gransnet posters would show some maturity and resort to playground insults!

What a strange thread to start on the news and politics forum - saying you don't watch the news any more because all the arguments about Brexit are dreadful.

If you can't watch the news any more because of arguments, why start a thread that you know is going to be just as argumentative?

It's been a total dogs dinner from the beginning

That should have read post!

Totally agree with your PST Lucklegs

NUMBERS
Why is a vote of 51-49% in Parliament a 'narrow result'
and a vote of 51-49% for Brexit a 'resounding victory'?

I am astonished at the language used in every thread about the EU,it is so spiteful.

Yes it is an emotive subject, no the EU isn't Camelot, vested interests can only have influenced opinion marginally as most people have their lived experience as a guide.

Other people who do not share your view also care about the future for their childen and grandchildren. Everyone else is not a moron.

No body knows what the future holds really, so getting exorcised about it to the point where you become insulting, while sober (probably) and the week before Christmas...........what a shame.

Nothing stays the same in life, who knows how this will pan out, the general tone of language and thought is just disappointing. Thoughts are material forces words can be hurtful. We are all old, we should know better.

Give up this obsession with converting Leave voters ( too late!) and you may not end up starting rows at funerals.

‘ Not every leaver comes into this category’ etc Varian
Seventeen and a half million! There is a happy medium between having a double first from Oxbridge and the type of Leaver that you paint you know.

dbDB77 I have not said that you personally were gullible, but there is absolutely no doubt that a lot of the readers of the right wing gutter press were. They did as they were told by the foreign and tax exile owners of the Sun, Daily Mail etc.

Not every leaver comes into this category, but enough to make a difference to the result. You probably have a double first from Cambridge and totally understood all the complexities of the question, but if, so you are in a tiny minorities of brexit voters.