More Brexit lunacy

sorry, that should be 'how happy they feel about this...

I wonder how happy our Leave voters think about all this?

Even if all Labour had voted for that they would still have lost. They needed some Tories to vote with them.
The Tory rebels haven't rebelled yesterday or today, not even on sentience.

48 Labour MPs voted to support SNP amendment to stay in the single market and customs union. Voting against the party line. Still amendment didn't succeed.

All a bit unlikely sadly. The best hope is Parliament I guess. There seemed to be lots of anti-Brexit feeling in House of Commons today, yet the Withdrawal Bill has gone through easily to the next stage.

Two more grandchildren old enough to vote in the next referendum with those rules. Good.

Those three groups of new voters suggested might reinvigorate the Remain campaign and stop a referendum being too angry and divisive.

And the 3million EU citizens who live here and have made the UK their home.

However, the latest statistics show that remain would win easily without that.

... and British expats in EU over the 15 year rule.

Perhaps a new referendum with 16 year olds allowed to vote?

press.labour.org.uk/post/169771732114/labour-reports-boris-johnson-to-statistics

Boris should not tell lies.

Justine Greening is right.
We can't let one generation's ill-considered decision blight the future of our children and grandchildren.
If the next generation doesn't accept Brexit will it be easy for them to reverse it?

The Mirror link shows that 55% would vote to remain, 45% to leave on a second referendum.

Report produced by American foreign relations committee has said the Russia meddled and has an orchestrated strategy in Brexit

The question we neeed to ask is exactly how legitimate this whose process is.

We know that people voted without due knowledge
We know that many arguments put forward by both sides were lies
We know that a referendun in the U.K. is only ever advisory
We know now that Russia interfered in the vote
We know that “dark money” was used on the Brexit side.

Wally, whether you'd vote again or not is, I'm afraid, hardly relevant.

As Justine Greening rightly and bravely said today in the Commons:

Tories hard Brexit could prove unsustainable because young would reject it.

This country belongs to the young, our children and grandchildren. More and more of those who voted 'leave' are going on that journey beyond ... numbers are falling daily.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/5-things-weve-learned-mirrors-11837123

Not only that, it was advisory. Just because David Cameron was so irresponsible, we should never condemn our children and grandchildren to become citizens of a poor second class country.

You could not alter the constitution of your local gardening society on the basis of a scant majority of a poor turnout. It would require a substantial majority - two thirds or three quarters of the total membership to vote for it. Otherwise the status quo would prevail.

this was not a vote- but a Referendum. 26% of people voted for Brexit- all based on false information and lies.

Cameron had no right, based on UK Parliamentary Democracy, to say it would be implemented. BY UK LAW - Referendums are advisory, nothing more.

If it become clear that Brexit would seriously damage the UK and its future- as David Davis wisely says (rare that...) - if a Democracy cannot change its mind, it is not democracy.

So, a new referendum on the final deal (which is what I would like) is debatable. However in UK Parlimentary Democracy- our elected MPs have to study all the implications, and have a meaningful vote on the final deal. That is what OUR OWN Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy requires - this is what we elect MPs for.

wally how do you know that everybody knows?

Graces Gran. The largest single vote in British history voted to leave the EU. Everybody knows it was because of immigration and the EU court and the making of laws by an unelected commission. If politicians alter this in any way I truly believe democracy will be dead in this country because what will be the point in voting if politicians ignore the will of the people. I for one would never note again.

infacts.org/save-nhs-stop-brexit/

Under PR, the Green party would have nearly as many seats as UKIP, so that would cancel UKIP seats out.

I presume all those who want PR are signed up to Make Votes Matter, and written to your MP about it.

www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/join-mailing-list

Good speech by Dominic Grieve.

“If we leave with a no deal (which many of the front bench are gleefully racing towards) I think that it would be the most single catastrophic act perpetrated on this country in history. so I don’t intend to allow this to happen.

At what point can the public and this house know what the government has succeeded in negotiating? It reminds me of the South Sea bubble company set up which said “the company to be set up to be of estimable value to the shareholders, but no one to know what it is!!”

Oh I wish whitewave. (they would probably still say nah, nah,nah,nah, nah but I would let them off with that) .

I wonder how many people would vote very differently knowing what they know now?

Macron

“If tomorrow the UK changes it’s mind about Brexit, we will look upon it with kindness”

Couldn’t be fairer than that!