More Brexit lunacy

Lemon, you have absolutely no idea why jura said that, do you?

jura...you know as well as I do, that Cameron promised a referendum and that the result would be implemented and all MP’s ( or just about all) agreed that at the time and then they all voted to begin leaving preparations with article 50.
So far so democratic I think you will agree.
There will be a vote in Parliament to accept/ reject a deal with the EU later on, so still democratic.
What there won’t be, is another referendum so that the voters who can’t accept the outcome try to get what they want,it simply won’t happen.

surprise, surprise hey ?

And they will say- just coincidence, just coincidence ...

oink, oink, oink, oink ...

Is this really what we want to be when we leave the EU?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/02/01/40478/

No, whitewave, they just got closer in agreement, but nothing's agreed until everything is agreed.
That's another maxim that right-wingers tend to forget.

I understood that this was all dealt with inphase 1?

www.the3million.org.uk/publications

Bit more than a postcard but still worth reading from the 3 million who are already here.

May has finally gone mad. Those arriving in the UK during the transition will be treated differently to those already here, according to her. How precisely? This requires those already here to be registered before 31st March 2019. What about their spouses and dependents not currently living in the UK but in another EU country, will they be able to join them later? What about those that have been living in the UK (and own property here) but were not here on the 31st March 2019 will they be able to return? What about children born after 31st March? What about EU citizens who've been here on holiday before 31st March? How are we going to monitor those arriving after 31st March? What about UK citizens in other EU countries how do we expect them to be treated? Who is going to be doing all this registration? What about all the non EU citizens arriving? Answers on a postcard. ( the EU won’t accept this Btw)

I think if Brexit goes ahead it will be clled taking control, rather than bringing back control.
The problem is getting Brexiteers to read that list, follow the links and see it for what it is.

Interesting list, jura.
Steve Bannon, eh? I'm surprised trump isn't on the list as well, although he does get a mention with his links to Mercer and Deutsche Bank as well as Cambridge Analytica.

Here is the list:

badboysofbrexit.com/the-complete-list-of-bad-boys/

as you can see, all people who are very close to the ordinary wo/man in the street, striving to make ends meet and bring up their kids best they can...

These are the men (for they are predominantly men) who bankrolled and facilitated Brexit – and, in some cases, stood to make very large personal profits from it. They include some of the very wealthiest members of a global elite.

The Bad Boys of Brexit alliance came together before and during the referendum campaign. It attracted far-right ideologues, climate change deniers, tax-dodging foreign billionaires, specialists in voter manipulation, a convicted fraudster and a political operative described by David Cameron as “a career psychopath”.

Here we have compiled a list of these Bad Boys.

The purpose of “Bad Boys Of Brexit” is to challenge the myth that the EU referendum was the greatest example of democracy in our history. A democratic experience means well-informed citizens deliberating with each other between genuine and attainable futures. This is far from what we witnessed.

Our intention here is to expose those who worked both behind the scenes and in front of the cameras to build the campaigns, who funded them, and to ask: who was really taking back power from whom?

This site describes not a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy fact. We unpick, using widely available and credible sources, the stories of the people who funded and ran the dishonest and opaque campaigns that persuaded a majority of UK citizens to make a decision damaging to their future.

Much of what happened remains shrouded in secrecy and considerable efforts have been made to hide the ugly truth. I think you will find what you read here frightening. I know I do. But please don’t turn away, because our democracy itself is at stake. Please share this information.

Please also use this information to reinforce the growing understanding that Brexit can, and must, be stopped.

Molly Scott Cato MEP.

Click here for the list of Bad Boys of Brexit.

lemongrove ?They had a vote, like everybody else jura but once a result is in, their job is to support it, '

the UK is a Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy- the rôle of the GVT and our elected MPs, with the support of the Lords- is to get us the best deal possible for all- not to forge ahead with a tiny majority for a Referendum that was based on lies and more lies. Totally un British to expect a Referendum to be implemented, come what may (no pun intended)- even when it turns out to be a disaster. Now THAT would be totally unpatriotic.

Cameron HAD NO LEGAL OR POLITICAL RIGHT WHATSOEVER to promise a Referendum would be implemented - totally un British. I thought you wanted British Laws to be Sovereign?

We already have good trade deals going with many countries outside the EU but through the EU so a good deal as there are the huge consumer numbers within the EU - the U.K. on its own is small fry.

"A democracy is not a democracy if we cannot change our minds."

How about that for a mantra. I am not at all bothered that David Davis said it first.

"Liam Fox, speaking to Sky News in China, said post-Brexit trade deals could be “some time away" and appeared to suggest the UK could remain in a customs union. The trade secretary also suggested the idea of a implementation phase was not a done deal. “If we've got an implementation period,” he said."

Note Liam Fox saying we could stay in a customs union.

Simply get the best that we can do.
We will still trade with the EU but leaving means opening up new possibilities all over the world as well as increasing those we already have with some countries.
Our billions won’t be pouring into the EU coffers in the future and propping up weak economies elsewhere.

Why on earth is May starting a fight that firstly she has already agreed with in phase 1 and one which she is bound to loose. Whatever is the matter with her?

Playing to the headbangers gallery I suppose.

And if it becomes even more obvious there is no deal as good as or better than the one we have - if any other deal is going to adversely affect the good of the country - what then? Blindly vote for the party line or vote for the good of the country?

I think that a good deal is what we all want, the question is, can anyone in government agree what this deal should look like, or even know what they want??

I’m very much afraid the answer to that is no.

Their job now is to fight for the national interest ww you are right about that, and they can do that by stopping all the fighting,and concentrate on The UK getting a good deal.

No lemon that is where you are entirely wrong. Their job is to fight for the national interest and for an economy/society that will ensure peace and prosperity for the future.

We thankfully live in a democracy (although one wonders at times) so if this means disagreeing with guidance delivered by a referendum AND being able to base that disagreement on solid evidence, then thank god for them I say.

They had a vote, like everybody else jura but once a result is in, their job is to support it, and they did by voting for article 50.Since then they have done nothing but make trouble which could well harm our country by affecting a deal.

'toe' the line

Their own 'preferences' first?!?

If an MP, of any party, after much studying of the facts and possible consequences- realises that something is going to be REALLY a disaster for the country- I for one am really pleased they are prepared to not tow the party line and are prepared to fight for what they think is best for the country.

POGS you are so right, it is to the shame of all political parties that they have been playing at silly buggers and party point scoring instead of working together on this.
They all agreed on article 50 but since then have descended into chaos with not only in-fighting ( on both sides) but trying to make political capital out of it and also putting their own personal preferences first.Disgraceful.