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Iam64 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:19:36

The situation we're in this week with the NHS, cancelled operations, frail and ill patients sitting in queues of ambulances outside A and E, etc etc.
The health secretary and PM are insisting they planned well for these pressures. Every doctor/nurse Ive heard interviewed is saying the situation is desperate and that the issue is lack of resources.
Local Authorities funds have been devastated so patients who could be discharged home if social care was available remain in hospital. People stay on trollies in A and E rather than being discharged because there isn't a Consultant available to confirm they ca go home.
Does anyone have a sensible suggestion about how this situation can be improved. I don't see how it can improve without more money, we need to train and support our medical staff.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 10:40:32

How can you have a cross-party committee on the NHS? Tories want to abolish it, Labour want to keep it and improve it.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 10:39:02

Except...in the case of a doctor !

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 10:37:41

Meant to add....though I agree, passing exams isn’t everything.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 10:34:44

His basic intelligence level can’t change trisher though.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:31:54

I don't know if a father can award a first in PPE though, even if, as we know, they can 'help' children gain university places (or could in those days).

trisher Sat 13-Jan-18 10:31:33

You can teach some people for ever and they will never be educated. It isn't all about passing exams lemongrove an education should develop an individual's talents and abilities and continues throughout life.
Let's hope Toby has learned something (if only to keep quiet).
Boris and Hunt are both stuck.
And much has been said about how Corbyn has changed since his appointment as leader.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 10:29:24

After we finally leave the EU the best course of action re the NHS would be a cross party committee to put reccommendations to the House and it be voted upon IMHO.
All the NHS has been doing is stumbling along from year to year with a postcode lottery as to what care you will receive.
The population has gone up amazingly and new treatments being offered all the time.Some areas are growing quickly, my own village is now the population of a small town ( in five years!) with strain on GP surgery etc.and hospital.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 10:23:41

Toby Young didn't, though. He was helped by his dad. It's called nepotism.
I don't know why, because that comes from the Latin word for cousin. Paternalism is not the same.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:22:32

I think his mother would have been despairing of him at the time, lemongrove, she was a very clever and well-educated woman - perhaps he's a late developer?

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 10:18:53

Bit childish durhamjen......but I imagine they all did better with their studies than Corbyn.

whitewave Sat 13-Jan-18 10:06:58

grin

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 10:01:04

His study of advanced speech patterns didn't help Toby Young, did it?
Boris's grasp of the classics just makes him seem more of an idiot than he already is.
I wonder what Hunt studied.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 09:59:09

Primrose
You may find the following link interesting (apologies if it has been linked previously, there are rather a lot of posts to wade through:
www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs

Alexa Sat 13-Jan-18 09:56:47

Education blends into health and social welfare at various points.

Incentives to take responsibility for own health and welfare , which Conservatives desire, is not possible without an educated public.

What, precisely, is the aspect of education which trains people to take up these responsibilites?

I studied speech patterns as part of a linguistics course. There is evidence that speech patterns have a causal effect upon feelings of personal autonomy, besides reflecting those feelings or the comparative lack of them. NB I'm not referring to regional dialects. It used to be the case that, apart from poetry and creative writing, most of language that the student was supposed to use in class was explicit and objective.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 09:43:41

Have you noticed, too, how few CCGs and trusts bother responding. Obviously if they don't respond, the King's Fund can't know why; possibly because of a feeling of despondency, that no matter how often they are told how bad things are, the government does nothing about it.

More trusts signed up to the letter in the Guardian than the King's Fund report.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 09:34:17

Next financial year is going to be the crunch year, according to that joint statement, Wilma.

www.kingsfund.org.uk/press/press-releases/4-billion-needed-next-year-to-stop-nhs-care-deteriorating

Somehow, I can't see the government providing that extra £4 billion.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 09:26:18

Thanks, Alexa.

whitewave Sat 13-Jan-18 07:38:59

wilma I saw that. It makes for such depressing reading, on a number of levels, not least knowing that the deliberate underfunding is crushing the NHS

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 13-Jan-18 01:49:19

Primrose I think the links below should provide you with the information -

Autumn Budget 2017 What it means - Kings Fund
Autumn Budget 2017 Joint Statement - Nuffield Trust, the Health Foundation and The King’s Fund - pdf link on this page here

The King’s Fund published its first quarterly monitoring report in April 2011 and the link below is to the latest report (24th) -

NHS Performance Quarterly Report November 2017

Alexa Sat 13-Jan-18 00:56:52

weownit.org.uk/act-now/nhstakeback-action

Durhamjen, I signed the letter. Thanks.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 00:19:54

weownit.org.uk/act-now/nhstakeback-action

Find out if your MP has signed up to take back the NHS. Write to him/her if not.

Primrose65 Sat 13-Jan-18 00:08:40

But that's the whole point Jen. There was no link.
That's what caught my interest.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 00:04:03

Pathetic.
You're not normally so interested in my links.

Primrose65 Fri 12-Jan-18 23:46:49

I'm not trying to prove anything wrong! I just wanted to read the article that accompanied the chart, so that it was in context.
I should have known better than to be interested in something you posted. I've learnt my lesson the hard way.

Primrose65 Fri 12-Jan-18 23:45:32

The only link I'm interested in Jen is the one you seem to be unable to provide.
As an aside, deleting emails won't speed up your PC. Your emails will be hosted in the cloud by your email provider - they're never really 'on' your PC if you use a web based email service.