NHS

Not angry. Not bothered, that's all.
Why are you trying to prove it wrong?

What do you have to say about the A&E doctors letter?
Nothing again, I see.

Not comparing Tory and Labour. They are using the figures from NHSE which is from 2004 to 2017, and more than the Nuffield one you use.

fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

Smoke and mirrors. They pretend they are spending enough on the NHS, but they obviously are not.

But it's not a FullFact chart - they have a different style and are reporting a different set of figures. (One attached)

It's not a Kings Fund chart either - they have a different style and are reporting different numbers for A&E that match FullFact. It would be unusual for them to compare Tory vs Labour too, as they value their independence and it could be misconstrued.

There's no need to get angry with me - I have bothered to look for it, but searching through over 1,000 reports is ridiculous, especially when you seem to be pointing me in the wrong direction.

This is something else that annoys me, as well.
The number of times you hear both Hunt and May say the NHS has been judged the best in the world. It hasn't for years.

fullfact.org/health/has-nhs-been-judged-best-healthcare-system-world/

The reports never differentiate between private healthcare and the NHS.

No, I don't have the link as I remove emails when I've got what I want from them, otherwise my computer is so slow.

I really couldn't care less if you can't be bothered to look for it or not. It's not my problem.
It's on the thread. There are links to King's fund on fullfact.

What do you say about the Guardian letter signed by doctors in many A&Es in England?

So you don't have a link then?
I don't know why you now think that I think they're not truthful. Perhaps instead of trying to explain it, you could just post the link and I could read it and make up my own mind?
I can't find it anywhere on the Kings Fund site. It doesn't seem to be the same as any of their other charts.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/11/nhs-patients-dying-in-hospital-corridors-doctors-tell-theresa-may

Are you going to say these doctors aren't telling the truth, either?

King's Fund got it from quarterly figures from 2004 to present on NHSE statistics spreadsheet. Actual figures were not given by NHS before then.

I have no problem with fullfact or the Kings Fund, I'm just interested in what else the report says

Sorry Jen, that gives nearly 100 results.
Can you just not post the link to the Kings Fund report the graph comes from?
You usually post so many links, it feels strange asking you to post one!

Just go on www.fullfact.org and search for King's Fund.
You'll find it among that.
Of course, you won't because you don't believe fullfact.

Because they cover the years before your chart!
Can you post a link to the Kings Fund report, as they have produced thousands?

Yes, it only goes back to 2004, but your links are only during the Labour government. Can't think why.

It actually came from the King's Fund report.

Even the term winter crisis wasn't common until 2013.

fullfact.org/health/nhs-winter-crisis/

It's one measure Jen and it only goes back to 2004. No idea where it's from and the NHS is more than just A&E waiting times. 11% of people are just sent home without advice or treatment in A&E according to the Kings Fund report you quoted. A further 39% get advice only. So it's likely that a high percentage those people waiting longer than 4 hours are not waiting for treatment.
But that's all from links you've posted, so you know this already.

fullfact.org/health/how-much-money-does-nhs-need/

I guess you haven't looked at the link at 19.30, Primrose.
One chart shows you.

This is not something new or a uniquely Tory government problem. The issues reported by the press have not changed for over 20 years. That's what is really shocking.
1995
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/251375.stm
2000
www.theguardian.com/society/2000/dec/04/health2
2005
moneyweek.com/the-traditional-nhs-winter-crisis-kicks-in/

Some English hospitals are doing procedures for Welsh patients

My friend went to Bulgaria to have plastic surgery on her eye bags. She said it was nice to lie by the pool and recover whilst the swelling went down. Cheap as chips, apparently.

My friend had a face lift done in Cuba....

A Calais hospital is carrying out medical procedures for the NHS.

Who are we going to turn to after Brexit ?

Iam, I thought the Tories wanted all Waspi women to take on apprenticeships, which means they want them to work part-time.
In hospitals and schools?