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Iam64 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:19:36

The situation we're in this week with the NHS, cancelled operations, frail and ill patients sitting in queues of ambulances outside A and E, etc etc.
The health secretary and PM are insisting they planned well for these pressures. Every doctor/nurse Ive heard interviewed is saying the situation is desperate and that the issue is lack of resources.
Local Authorities funds have been devastated so patients who could be discharged home if social care was available remain in hospital. People stay on trollies in A and E rather than being discharged because there isn't a Consultant available to confirm they ca go home.
Does anyone have a sensible suggestion about how this situation can be improved. I don't see how it can improve without more money, we need to train and support our medical staff.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:36:52

Gauke is the sixth justice secretary since 2010. That's obviously the job nobody wants.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:34:47

Has she actually sacked or demoted anyone?
This was supposed to make her stronger. How?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:33:43

When Labour MP Tracy Brabin raised the issue of poorly people sleeping on the floor in A&E, Philip Dunne, who was standing in for Hunt, apologised for cancelled operations and said people sleeping on the floor was not acceptable but added: “There are seats available in most hospitals where beds are not available.”

So it was policy, was it?

Hunt was supposed to be moving to business, but he refused to go and demanded the social care job as well.

Gauke has been made justice secretary. Where's the justice in that?

Lazigirl Mon 08-Jan-18 17:27:13

Oh dear! Yet another reason to dread getting old in this country!

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 17:19:18

He was in number 10 so long that there were jokes that suggested that he was waiting in a trolley.

jura2 Mon 08-Jan-18 17:17:44

Beggars belief ...

Tegan2 Mon 08-Jan-18 17:14:52

Just read it; I mean, he can't do one job properly so, hey, let's give him two#youcouldn'tmakeitup

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:03:43

Bloody hell!!!
Hunt has been appointed Health and Social Care secretary!!!!

Lazigirl Mon 08-Jan-18 12:02:19

Trouble is in the Tories eyes everything is going to plan! I read yesterday that a total of 95 walk-in centres - 40% of the overall original number - have closed since the Conservatives came to power, or are due to shut soon. This surely must have impacted on the numbers going to A&E.

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 10:42:22

Anybody watch Marr asking May about the elderly lady waiting in an ambulance having suffered a stroke, going in and out of consciousness throughout the entire time. Marr said that if this has happened to him he would be dead.

Mays reply?

“I recognise that people have concerns”

Time to bang ones head or preferably Mays head against the brick wall.

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 10:30:28

Spending on the NHS has averaged 4% of GDP since 1947.

Since the Tories have been in power it has dropped to 1.2%

We are told however that spending is the highest ever.

Is it surprising that the NHS is failing.

Lies lies and yet more lies.

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 10:27:33

Crises in the NHS - need a plan?

How about stopping operations that should fix it!!

You couldn’t make it up.

paddyann Mon 08-Jan-18 09:41:03

oh dear Annie very unfair ,I cared fro my mum in her own home for over 12 years ,when she broke her leg they kept her in hospital for 7 weeks..not because I /we didn't want to care for her but because the carnaptious old begger that she was refused to sleep in my only downstairs bedroom and wanted to be taken upstairs ..that would have meant a 5 year old sleeping downstairs on his own.So in hospital she stayed..her choice ..not ours .I'm sure there are thousands of other folk who would happily have parents to care for too but the choice is taken out of their hands...By the way I still provided ALL her meals ..hot meals daily while she was in hospital because she wouldn't eat hospital food!

trisher Mon 08-Jan-18 09:33:43

I would imagine that the people whose operations have been cancelled are now quite cross wiith Mrs May for not letting them know they were part of her plan.
As far as bed-blocking goes I think one of the problems is that people leaving hospital sometimes need special adaptations or facilities in their homes and have to wait until these are done. A lot of old people leave hospital and want to stay as independent as they can be.

Newquay Sun 07-Jan-18 23:21:28

I always think when there's a problem like this (understatement there!) you should always begin by talking to the folks "at the coal face" be it medics, police, prison officers etc.
They are the ones who know what is not working and how it could be improved.
No doubt that more cash is needed but. . . . We cannot keep on treating more and more folks who arrive here and have not contributed to the system-they should have insurance and have to pay surely! We have a NATIONAL health service not an INTERNATIONAL health service.
I would also think re-introducing proper licensing laws would reduce the number of drunks we have who need treatment and the breweries/pubs etc who benefit from this trade should contribute to the after effects too. The drunks themselves should be charged too-as in the "olden days" when they were fined for being "drunk and disorderly/incapable"

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 23:18:39

Morgana, I wonder if May realised what she said, that 55,000 cancelled appointments were part of the plan?
If so, she's even more incompetent than anyone realised.

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 22:56:19

Good article here by Zoe Williams.
Here's the fantasy, Morgana.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/nhs-falling-apart-theresa-may-evasions-crisis

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 22:39:08

Just been said on the BBC newspaper review that May doesn't have human reactions!

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 22:33:19

The last time May said she was in it for the long haul she called an elction the next week, didn't she?

Morgana Sun 07-Jan-18 22:20:42

Very irate at the lies. She is becoming a fantasist - she'll be waving her hands around next and talking about fake news. T.M we do not believe you!!

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 13:03:27

Channelfour factcheck on Tory NHS selective number crunching.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/the-number-of-people-waiting-over-four-hours-in-ae

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 10:30:53

Response to May on Marr. Some people not very happy.

twitter.com/hashtag/nhscrisis?f=tweets&vertical=news&src=hash

durhamjen Sun 07-Jan-18 10:22:36

This is from a doctor in Brighton before Christmas.

evolvepolitics.com/an-nhs-doctors-heartbreaking-facebook-post-is-going-viral-and-everyone-in-britain-needs-to-read-it/

durhamjen Sat 06-Jan-18 22:23:56

www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2018/jan/05/government-confront-pressures-nhs

OurKid1 Sat 06-Jan-18 15:40:49

It's all very well to say that people should look after the elderly ... but as others have said above, there are many times when circumstances just do not allow that. Both my parents had dementia and needed 24 hour nursing care, which we were not able to provide as we are not nurses. We did not 'put' either of them into Nursing Homes. There was no choice for their own safety and well-being. While they were there, I saw no residents who could safely have been cared for by relatives. I did, however, see many relatives visiting their loved ones and caring as much as they could, while medically trained staff provided what they are trained to do - health care.